Originally Posted by Harry Dresden PI
... the Screaming Banshee design and features make a few strong selling points .....
- 1/4 second your OEM beep beep horn works still
(for non urgent bike to bike signals and other not urgent honks)
- The front head lights flash when you honk the horn
(Added visual attention)
- No relay needed for new horn and old horn still works off OEM horn button
- Product Design is owned in Clearwater Florida (and yes I live in FL)
SO QUESTION TO THE GROUP
Sounds great, but what are the issues that anyone has seen or can think of ... ???
Thanks in Advance (of me spending more $$)
Just a couple points on that specific horn:
1. The "for friendly use" beep delay is about 1/7 Second. It is difficult to reliably create such a short press duration with a push button and no gloves. I expect it is harder with the V-Strom's horn button and gloves.
2. The control and wiring aspects are nice.
The flashing light in addition to the 130 dB(a?) sound level will certainly be impressive and alter the mental state of inattentive drivers. What I doubt is that this "will save lives
" of prudent
riders. Surely, if you are in a hazard situation developing slowly enough, this extra stimulus is likely to make the difference between an errant driver completing his maneuver as intended and doing something else. Let's consider what is "slowly enough". You have to move your thumb to the horn button, the 150 mS delay must elapse, the loud noise and flashing light have to register as "something demanding attention" (with time added for the light to pulse), the errant driver must then process that he has set himself on a collision course and decide to effect a different action, then actually act on that new intention.
I've had to take evasive action many times in urban traffic and have never found occasion to use the horn to timely influence the near-collision. (I sound the horn to let drivers know they erred, after I've gotten out of their way or slowed enough to avoid collision.) These near-collision events usually happen fast enough that there is not enough time for the horn actuation/registering/processing to do any good, and by the time it could have any influence, I've already done what is necessary to avoid the hazard. I'm certainly not going to hold my course and speed and hope the errant driver finally does the right thing after being prodded.
I submit that where the loud horn and flashing lights will really help is when you simply have no escape or you have plenty of time to see if the errant driver will respond favorably before you finally evade. These sorts of situations are rare relative to the ones where there is not enough time except to evade or stop. It is usually a mistake to leave yourself with no escape. If you have time to see what the errant driver will do, you have time to avoid the hazard regardless of what he does.
The vendor's video, SEE THE SCREAMING BANSHEE IN ACTION
, is obviously staged and does not represent how real hazards develop or how any but the stupidest riders respond. The drivers make their ostensibly "bad" moves too slowly. They respond nearly instantly. And the rider plows on as if he either knows the drivers will correct or has a suicide wish.
Of course, we all wish drivers would notice us in time to stop taking our space, especially just after they do take it. And it's natural to wish to improve our control over those situations. But I see the loud horn as giving more the illusion of such control than any useful reality of it. I think the most effective response to such incidents is to figure out how to give yourself enough space and trajectory margin that you can avoid collisions without depending on an inattentive driver suddenly doing better.