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post #1 of 22 Old 05-09-2014, 03:40 PM Thread Starter
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4000 mile oil change rip-off

I am in the process of doing a DIY oil/filter change @ 4,000 miles on my '12 Wee Adventure. For the record I bought "genuine" Suzuki parts, including $15.89 for a filter and. . .

$4.93 FOR A CRUSH WASHER!!!!!!!

Needless to say, next time I'll be looking elsewhere for parts; I'm sure a $.99 BMW washer would work just as well.

Doesn't make any sense to change the oil every 4k and filter every 12k. Maybe every other oil change?

Alternatives? Thoughts?

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I don't replace crush washers, I don't use the Suzuki filters, I do change the oil about every 4 to 5 K and the filter every other change. Your other alternative is to really get ripped off and have the dealer do it for you, and what you just spent won't seem so bad.

Oh and it is cheaper to maintain than the BMW's I see on your signature.

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That's one of the reasons I bought the Suzuki - cost of ownership. I spent $.10/mile on my RT, parts, labor, tires, battery, and an unfortunate cracked sump. The first farkle I bought for the Wee was a Weld86 skid plate.

What is your source of filter: K&N?

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$4.93 FOR A CRUSH WASHER!!!!!!!
You need to find another shop. Did they use any lube on you before they rammed it home? Should be less than $2. I think I paid $160 and felt reamed. I don't remember my filter cost but it was less. Try Dual Sport Oil Filters | Rocky Mountain ATV/MC and I think their washers are $1.30. I almost always change the filter and washer and I do the oil at 3 to 3.5K. I ride it hard so I figure I owe it.

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That's one of the reasons I bought the Suzuki - cost of ownership. I spent $.10/mile on my RT, parts, labor, tires, battery, and an unfortunate cracked sump. The first farkle I bought for the Wee was a Weld86 skid plate.

What is your source of filter: K&N?
Yeah I really like the K&N filter, and having the welded nut on the end cap is pretty handy. The Wix filters from NAPA are favorites of mine too, but I pretty much just use the K&N now. No torque wrench for the oil drain plug, just snug it down with a box end wrench.

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I used one the filters from the list of substitute filters, bought at a local auto store, still ten buck though. The washers I bought from the Suzuki dealer were only $1.10 or something.

https://www.stromtrooper.com/dl650a-2...l-filters.html

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Auto parts stores have 12 mm oil drain plug gaskets. Aluminum, copper, fiber, nylon--all work well, but with aluminum threads I don't use copper--takes more torque to get to seal sometimes. You don't need Suzuki's crush washer, and it doesn't need to be changed every time.

The oil filter is relatively large for the size of the engine. The filter on my 4.7L V8 in my truck isn't much larger, and I run that 10,000 miles. I'm OK with 10k or 12k on the filter. Others replace every time. Whatever helps you sleep good at night.... The local shop has used thousands of Hiflo filters over the years without a problem. Their price is OK--HF138 is the model number. Hiflo makes the motorcycle oil filters for K&N, KN138, they're good, but I'm not sure they're worth any extra cost. WIX 51359 & NAPA 1359 also are good filters at OK prices. $5.88 from Fleetfilter.com; order a year's supply of all filters for the family fleet & friends to share the shipping cost.

I just put on a Gold Plug oil drain plug with a very strong magnet. This comes with an aluminum gasket. The original plug's magnet had no pull, and the Gold Plug magnet is very strong. I'll see how much iron & steel dust it picks up when I next change the oil. I've used similar drain plugs in cars, and they always have a lump of mud-looking iron dust on the end.

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I've changed my washer once in probably four oil changes, and for no other reason than that I'd never changed it. My thoughts are that, if you see the drainplug leaking, then you should probably get a new crush washer. I doubt if I'll replace mine again unless I see that happening.

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... I bought "genuine" Suzuki parts, including $15.89 for a filter and. . . $4.93 FOR A CRUSH WASHER!!!!!!!

Needless to say, next time I'll be looking elsewhere for parts; I'm sure a $.99 BMW washer would work just as well.
At today's wages, a dealership can hardly afford to sell a grain of sand at your non-furious price. If you find one who sells them individually that cheap, it's because they wish to keep the goodwill of customers who may do some profitable business later.

At my local dealer, they claim to want $1.26 for that "gasket", but gave me some when I had the bike in for another reason and asked about the washer.

I cannot think of any reason to replace that gasket unless it gets mangled or scarred during plug removal. Whatever spring is left in it when the plug is taken out is just what is left in it as the plug was last tightened. If it leaks at all, it will be very slow and easy to detect before it creates a problem. I don't replace them because I see it as pointless when the surfaces are smooth and it is hard to get off once crushed.

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Doesn't make any sense to change the oil every 4k and filter every 12k. Maybe every other oil change?

Alternatives? Thoughts?
I think the oil/filter change ratio is already greatly in favor of the engine at the expense of filter and labor cost, so I'm not inclined to second guess the recommendation. Maybe if the oil had visible particulates in it, I would worry about the filter requiring higher pressure to move the oil, but the oil I take out every 3500 miles looks too clean to motivate throwing extra filters at the bike.
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If its not leaky then it don't need to be changed, if it looks like it leaked before you take the drain out, then replace the washer



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