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post #1 of 18 Old 09-23-2013, 11:36 PM Thread Starter
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Question Seriously, 6th gear by 32 mph?

So here's the context -- New 2013 DL650 as of Saturday and it's my first bike.

So here's the question -- The manual suggests shift points but they seem awfully quick/low to me. It says to upshift from 5th to 6th at 31 mph.

All that I've read about the 2012+ models says the 6th gear is a "tall" gear for cruising. Is it just my car transmission bias since I'm new to bikes, or does that seem way too soon to be in 6th gear?

Please educate me here, what am I missing?
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post #2 of 18 Old 09-23-2013, 11:43 PM
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Don't take those figures too seriously. Bike engines like to spin a lot more than cars and the absolute LAST thing you want to do to a brand new engine is make it lug while it's breaking in.
There are some good write-ups on breaking in new engines here and elsewhere. Shortest possible version: lugging is bad, over-reving is bad, being too gentle is also bad.

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Those shift points in the book are ridiculous. You will be able to feel where the engines "happy zone" is. Just keep it in there.

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I believe the manual is suggesting the absolute lowest speed at which you would up shift, and in reality, the manual is suggesting speeds that are too low to prevent lugging. I have found a nice rule of thumb for LOW REV shifting is.

40 mph, shift to 4th
50, shift to 5th
60, shift to 6th

This won't lug the engine and is easy to relate to.

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While riding in traffic or the twisties you always want to keep the engine in its power range, so a good rule of thumb on a new engine would be to adopt a 4000 rpm shift point. That keeps you below the recommend 5K limit. As the engine breaks in then you can match your shift point with the way you like to ride.

That way you won't lug it, and the bike will have the get up & go should you need it to move out of trouble.

The shift points in the manual are a guide, and probably biased towards some fuel saving. No matter what never lug the engine.
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If you keep the cylinder load low (throttle barely open) and the rpms at least 3k no harm will be done to the motor. I agree the manual is off for normal operation.
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Thanks to everyone for your replies -- they are greatly appreciated!

I had read the break-in section of the owner's manual before picking up the bike so I knew to keep the revs under 5,000 on the way home, but the shift points section of the manual took me by surprise.

My shifting pattern (from my vast experience, aka 20 miles) is generally what kingofgix wrote.

Here's to riding enough to get past the break-in period

Thanks again!
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Thanks to everyone for your replies -- they are greatly appreciated!

I had read the break-in section of the owner's manual before picking up the bike so I knew to keep the revs under 5,000 on the way home, but the shift points section of the manual took me by surprise.

My shifting pattern (from my vast experience, aka 20 miles) is generally what kingofgix wrote.

Here's to riding enough to get past the break-in period

Thanks again!
Forget "break-in". Just go ride. You can search about break in procedures and will never find a concensus. Your bike was test run at the factory WAY faster than 5000 RPM. Just go ride. You can rev it higher, but dont keep it there for prolonged riding (which you shouldn't do when riding period). Just go ride. The rings need some load put to them so they seat well to the cylinder walls. Just go ride!

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Thanks to everyone for your replies -- they are greatly appreciated!

I had read the break-in section of the owner's manual before picking up the bike so I knew to keep the revs under 5,000 on the way home, but the shift points section of the manual took me by surprise.

My shifting pattern (from my vast experience, aka 20 miles) is generally what kingofgix wrote.

Here's to riding enough to get past the break-in period

Thanks again!
Congrats on the bike! Crank the rear preload all the way out (counter-clockwise). With the bike lower you are less likely to drop it while you get used to it. You could also raise the fork tubes 1/2" as well, if you're up to it. Don't ask me how I know this is a good idea! Raise it up if you wish after several thousand miles.
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So here's the context -- New 2013 DL650 as of Saturday and it's my first bike.

So here's the question -- The manual suggests shift points but they seem awfully quick/low to me. It says to upshift from 5th to 6th at 31 mph.

All that I've read about the 2012+ models says the 6th gear is a "tall" gear for cruising. Is it just my car transmission bias since I'm new to bikes, or does that seem way too soon to be in 6th gear?

Please educate me here, what am I missing?
I do it all the time when accelerating at a leisurely pace, especially when I'm in a low-speed zone ( 45 mph and below ). In the mtns I favor 5th a lot more.

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