So a tree killed my puig screen, had to put stock back on. I have tons of buffeting now. For reference I have tall seat and am 6'1. So a couple questions....
Does anyone have a taller screen they want to part with?
Has anyone put on one of those front spoiler screen extender or wind deflectors on and how well do they work?
I have a Madstad 18" adventure windscreen you can have if you are local and pick up. I'm located in Chambersburg PA.
This is only the windscreen and does not include brackets. Not interested in shipping as it is bulky and would probably cost $30 to ship within the lower 48
Those little add on's make a big difference. I have the MRA Vario and it's neat-o. I have a laminar lip on another bike and it works well too. Just non adjustable.
Why not just order up another Puig Screen?
The best screen for your bike is without a doubt the Givi Airflow. It's so far ahead of everything else it is simply no contest. Unless it s a beauty contest. Then all bets are off.
This is as subjective as the day is long. On my DL650 I had the stock screen, Givi Air flow and a 18" Madstad 18" Adventure I liked the Madstad best as it eliminated the most amount of buffeting (not all, most).
Interestingly enough my 06 R1200GS has the stock windscreen and my 07 R1200GD came with a Givi Airflow. I have them both and have ridden back to back.
Just yesterday after 5,000 miles and several months of trying to adjust the Givi to get it to where it doesn't buffet I threw my hands in the air. I then got on ADV Rider found a used stock windscreen and bought it. The 06 and 07 are 98% the same and the stock windscreen buffets 90% less than the Givi.
Windscreens, seats, handle bar bends and any other ergo/comfort related item an individual like/dislike thing.
The best screen for your bike is without a doubt the Givi Airflow. It's so far ahead of everything else it is simply no contest. Unless it s a beauty contest. Then all bets are off.
Just keep an eye on the adjustment fasteners as they like to work loose tho they are secured from falling away. Users suggest getting one size up since there is such a wide vertical adjustment as well as angle.
Personally I don't like lipped screens.
Awful amount of clutter in your face.
I had Madstad on both my Wees and it's even better on the CB500x as it has winglets.
The OP posted in the 2014+ DL1000 forum area. I assume he has a 2014+ DL1000.
Presumptuous? What are you assuming? That your experience on other models applies to the Vee2/3?
I believe you will find that owners of Vee2/3s that have tried multiple screens agree. Check the posts. Do the reading. The numbers in the data pool endorsing the screen significantly reduce the chance it is just a subjective opinion.
Gen 1 bikes less so, but then we were talking about Vee2/3s right?
Absolutely, one man's opinion. When asked (several times a week) that is the opinion I give. Based on talking to many members, having tried several screens, and understanding the engineering behind wind screen design, and the flexibility built into the Airflow, and feedback from those who switch to it.
Just one man opinion.
And when you say you have tried Givi on two different bikes, was it the "air flow?" Where any of those bikes Vee2/3s? Or where they just Givi brand screens and misc. random bikes?
Could you please explain why you think what ever screen you like and have tried on the Vee2/Vee3 works better than the compression jet, expansion jet, double layer with seven inches of adjust ability than the airflow? Then tell us about the feedback from others that you have gathered.
Or not. What ever.
How about a joke? Know any good jokes?
Here's one. Yesterday I saw a guy throw all his scrabble letters on the road. I asked him, "what's the word on the street?"
Both of the Givi's I have had on motorcycle were "Airflow" models and in both instances I did not like them. I don't care what bike you put them on it is the opinion of the guy sitting behind it if it works to his standards or not.
The Airflow can have fancy compression/expansion jet technology or it can suck like a Hoover that doesn't mean it'll work for everyone. The stock screen on my R1200GS has none of this declassified alien technology but works a 100 times better at eliminating buffeting for me verses the Airflow. Why is this?
Making the blanket statement that the Givi Airflow is the best of the best is simply not true. I've had 2 and did not like either. Sure the Airflow works for a lot of people but it does not work for everyone and that is why several companies produce alternate options. Honestly if the Airflow was the end all be all of windscreens don't you think Suzuki would source them from Givi?
So you bought an airflow for a bike and didn't like and then bought another airflow for a completely different bike and didn't like it, but have never tried the airflow on a Vee2/Vee3?
Lot's of people have had mediocre experience with the airflow on a Gen 1 V-Strom. I don't recommend Airflows for Gen 1 bikes. They work really good with a tall shield and 1/2" spacers under the bottom two windscreen bolts. It positions the top of the screen closer to the rider and kicks the front of the screen out enough to get more air flow under the screen thereby reducing the delta P front to back allowing for the air coming over the front of the screen to stay smoother longer. After the Madstad came out people sort of forgot that all you needed was a stack of 5 cent washers.
Suzuki designs windscreens that look good on the show room floor and in sales brochures. It is a fashion piece that is built to a price point. No different than most others. They did do a good job with the 2012+ DL650 adventure though.
OK it might not be best for everyone. Just those of about the height range that ride V-Stroms. You know short people to tall people.
Seven inches of adjustability. Seriously though, a sailor and two marines are walking down the street. The two marines walk into a bar. The sailor ducked.
And that is my one man's opinion stated by many men who own Vee2/3s as recorded in the Vee2 and Vee3 forum sections of this site, but disagreed with by one man (maybe two) who does not own a Vee2 or Vee3 or has ever tried an airflow on one. I'm ok with that.
For me and the Vee, the Airflow was by far the best screen i tried. All Rick is saying is that going by the numbers on here, the Airflow on the Vee works. And no, its not the prettiest, but it doesn't bother me anymore. As a matter of fact as an engineer i have grown to appreciate its engineering.
I am 6', 32" inseam. The stock shield blasted my head around, the 2018 screen was maybe 10% better. I tried the madstad and for some reason couldnt get it to fit, after much back and forth with madstad. I said enough screwing around, bought the airflow and love it. 99% of the time its in the lowest position, middle mounting holes. I often wonder when adjusting the front portion up if the air being squeezed in between is affected negatively. Havent spent enough time fiddling with it. I do know it seems to work best tilted all the way back, really speeds up that air curtain.
So what if the OP buys an Airflow and finds it does not work for him. Would it still be the best for his bike?
I'm not sure why you are so passionate or feel that all other windscreens for any given bike fall short of the Givi Air flow. I'm here to tell you for some like myself they are not all they are hyped up to be. You may choose to accept this or not but that is fact.
OK, that's enough you two. It's starting to get old. We're all big and ugly enough to research from multiple sources of information anything we want to buy.
I have the Puig windshield per your Revzilla link, and I also installed a generic air foil from Ebay. The combination works very good for me. 5-11, with a custom built slightly taller seat, running the windshield at lowest mount position.
The answer to the question is probably muscle memory. My response was what I tell people when they call asking for advice. It is based on all the things listed above (trying other screens on my Vee2, lot's of feedback from people who switched, the sophistication of the engineering that went into the design, and many personal accounts here on Stromtrooper). The persistence was based on what I considered to be your initial intentionally rude response tagged with with a quote so as to ensure that I saw it.
I generally laugh these things off, but every once in a while even someone who posts with as much care as i do as can decide to stand his ground. With civility.
One of the coolest things about the air flow is 7" of adjust ability. Have you ever bought a windscreen and then found it was an inch too tall or too short to be perfect? Then you go out and buy a "laminar lip" or spoiler to add to height or worse cut off an inch. With the Airflow you simply flip two little levers and slide it to where it is perfect. If it is no longer perfect for the condition (which just doesn't happen for me) you flip the levers and move it to where you want it at that moment.
I believe I have the Pugi too... at 6'6" it works well. And lets remember.... it's a MOTORCYCLE.... if you want no wind... take a CAR!!! LOL> I would get another Pugi in a sec.
The wind doesn't bother me, it's the extreme helmet buffeting that sucks. I'm used to naked bikes and this is my first bike with a real windshield and I can't stand the buffeting. I want to take the windshield off and see if that helps, and if it does I'm gonna cut that sucker way down cause the bike looks kinda silly with it off.
Got my V3 a year ago and immediately ordered an Airflow on Rick's recommendation. Not the best looking, but it works. No buffeting and a good, smooth flow of air at most all settings. I find the lowest setting and full tilt work best. I only raise up when the bugs get bad and then only 1/2 way(2"+).
This only applys to the V2-V3 as thats what the OP posted in.
Rolex's post reminds me that you can take the top part of the Airflow screen off and put it away when going off pavement. Just flip the latches, slide it out and put it in your top or side case (wrapped in something soft).
I did that on my ill fated trail ride with my son on his new 220 pound 60 Hp KTM. He was no match for my 500 pound 100 Hp Vee2 (at falling over and digging troughs with my crash bars).
Why the fuss?
Reading thru this and other threads, I can't understand this buffeting issue people are having, and all of the various products and hacks folks are coming up with to deal with it. Could it be the helmet being worn contributing to this?
I am 5'8''/173cm and wear a 2017 Bell Race Star helmet. My 2017 DL650 has the stock windshield, stock mirrors, and I have it mounted in its tallest of three positions. I have yet to experience anything but very occasional and minor buffeting, and only in gusty crosswinds. Not enough of a concern for me to experiment with different brands. My biggest issue with it is that the detail kid, er, Guest Expectaions Technician apparently must have used a rat tail file to clean the front surface of the 'shield, but I'm slowly working the deep scratches out with semi regular application of Novus 3 plastic cleaner. Just thought: could multiple random horizontal gouges mitigate the airflow? Nah.
I'll probably go with an OEM Suzuki windshield again when the time comes. For 20 years, I rode my 1980 KZ750 with no windshield or fairing, and early on with an open face helmet and goggles. Now that's buffeting! I replaced the goggles with a face shield and noticed a slight improvement in noise control, but the biggest improvement was made with my first full face helmet, An AGV with no venting. My ZX11 would buffet at the top of my helmet if I rode relatively upright, but when I got the Bell toward the end of my ownership of that bike, I noticed right away the difference it made in being able to ride at elevated speeds and turn my head to look behind with no buffeting or yanking.
The Bell and the stock screen so far are a good combination for me.
Whatever blows your hair back. Or not.
You're short enough that the stock screen works for you. I'm 6'6 with a tall seat and all the air hits me right in the middle of the face shield and throws my head all around. So that forces me to slouch when I ride on interstate or just deal with it and end up with a nice head ache after the ride. The stock shield in any other position other than the lowest and closet makes it way worse.
For the first couple of years I used the stock screen on my 13/650 and was very happy with it. But I lived in a rural area of British Columbia and traffic was light on the curvy 2 lane roads. Buffeting only occurred when I caught up to a pickup, a semi or a car with a roof rack. Within a few minutes they were passed and all was calm again. Once I moved to an urban area where there is always vehicles ahead of me I realized what the buffeting complaints were about. I wear glasses and ride with my visor up unless it is raining or the bugs are bad. My head was getting banged about constantly and I had to turn the music up to hear it. Tried the Airflow and was amazed at the difference. In still air the stock screen is fine. In rough air the Airflow smooths it out and moves it up and over my head.
I have a Givi on mine, very happy with it. I once went down hard enough to throw me off the bike, knock the wind out of me, and break some of the plastics on the front fairing. Knocked the top piece of the Givi off the bike, but it wasn't damaged at all, I was able to pop it back on. Very good design and quality.
I'm disappointed in my Givi Airflow on my V2. I'm 5'11".
It was an improvement over stock, but I am very let down.
Just added the Aprilia mirrors hoping that was the last piece to the puzzle.
Buffeting is now WORSE.
I loved my V1 with a passion for years. This buffeting issue on my V2 has me so frustrated that I'm ready to sell it and try a totally different bike.
Sorry, I intended to reference you in my previous reply.
I wear an LS2 helmet like pictured. My fav helmet to date, but I'm sure a pricier one would feel better.
I wear good earbuds for music 99% of the time. A good 80% reduction in noise but irrelevant to the buffeting.
Stock windshield, I felt like someone had my head in a tumble dryer. I refused to ride more than a couple miles at highway speed.
With AF, it's reduced, but still almost unbearable above 50mph. Highway speeds, wind bashes my head side to side so badly that my vision is blurry and I can't judge distances and gaps well enough to feel safe.
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