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post #21 of 78 Old 03-07-2017, 01:52 PM Thread Starter
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So Tom, what's the verdict on the clutch slave cylinder?
I should be able to confirm in the next day or so (maybe even tonight) but if I understood them correctly they ordered in a new seal. I could have mis-heard. I'll call them a bit later in the day.

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My Bike's waiting for me to pick it up but since I work until 8 tonight I won't have to until tomorrow eve.

The Slave Cylinder went and they put a new one on it. My bike has extended warranty but their employee who looks after extended warranty claims, etc is on vacation (they only have 5 employees in total I think.) They didn't charge me for the slave cylinder so if it is covered great, if not I'll pay them for it. either way I can pickup the bike and not worry about it for now

They don't know what caused the slave to go but did give me heck for the amount of crap in the front sprocket area so I will have to make a habit of cleaning it more often than I do (which was very rarely!) They were also quite surprised I still had the original chain on the bike.

BTW when I mentioned they had ordered a new seal they actually had ordered a new Slave Cylinder. I think the mention of a seal was for the cam cover for checking the valve lash.

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Geez, I wouldn't think that opening up the front sprocket area and cleaning it out would be considered regular owner maintenance. If it's a problem, they should be doing it as part of a regular maintenance, or list it as a necessary process on their maintenance schedule.

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My Bike's waiting for me to pick it up but since I work until 8 tonight I won't have to until tomorrow eve.

The Slave Cylinder went and they put a new one on it. My bike has extended warranty but their employee who looks after extended warranty claims, etc is on vacation (they only have 5 employees in total I think.) They didn't charge me for the slave cylinder so if it is covered great, if not I'll pay them for it. either way I can pickup the bike and not worry about it for now

They don't know what caused the slave to go but did give me heck for the amount of crap in the front sprocket area so I will have to make a habit of cleaning it more often than I do (which was very rarely!) They were also quite surprised I still had the original chain on the bike.

BTW when I mentioned they had ordered a new seal they actually had ordered a new Slave Cylinder. I think the mention of a seal was for the cam cover for checking the valve lash.

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I built a cover for the pushrod to keep it clean and I removed the plastic sprocket cover to make keeping a eye on things down there easier.
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I removed the plastic sprocket cover to make keeping a eye on things down there easier.
I would not be happy riding around without a sprocket cover. That sprocket spins at a gazillion RPM and is very, very close to your left ankle. Any shoelace or piece of fabric from your pants flapping about will eventually work its way into the sprocket when it's not covered up somehow. And I do not want to think about what happens at highway speed when almost a hundred horses are busy turning that sprocket, and it grabs a shoelace.

So... Did you fit any other kind of protection in place?

Also, is the sprocket cover not also holding the speedo sender in place? How did you fix that?
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Also, is the sprocket cover not also holding the speedo sender in place? How did you fix that?
2014+ DL1000 does not have a speedo sensor.

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2012 DL650 139,500+ km, 86,700+ miles. Sold
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You NEED an auto oiler my friend.
I don't think one would stop the buildup of crap in the front sprocket area, would it?

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2012 DL650 139,500+ km, 86,700+ miles. Sold
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I don't think one would stop the buildup of crap in the front sprocket area, would it?

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If you lube your chain with something wax-like, something sticky, and you regularly overdo it, then this lube will be flung off at the place where the chain changes direction the fastest - which is in the sprocket area. And since you're using something sticky, it will remain there and not drain through the drain port in the bottom of the sprocket area. Mix this with all kinds of road crap and you've got a buildup of thick black mass waiting to happen.

OTOH if you lube with something light and runny, like the stuff that's in a chain oiler, then whatever is flung off the chain into the sprocket area, can just run down the bottom and exit via the drain port. Possibly even taking some road crap with it. And it would be even better if you clean/lube with a solvent such as WD40.

It would be nice if we could have a poll on the lube type and frequency that people use, and the amount of crap buildup in the sprocket area. And the consequences for the slave cylinder. My gut feeling tells me that people who lube their chain a lot (too often), suffer slave cylinder problems more often, due to the crap buildup in the sprocket area.
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If you lube your chain with something wax-like, something sticky, and you regularly overdo it, then this lube will be flung off at the place where the chain changes direction the fastest - which is in the sprocket area. And since you're using something sticky, it will remain there and not drain through the drain port in the bottom of the sprocket area. Mix this with all kinds of road crap and you've got a buildup of thick black mass waiting to happen.

OTOH if you lube with something light and runny, like the stuff that's in a chain oiler, then whatever is flung off the chain into the sprocket area, can just run down the bottom and exit via the drain port. Possibly even taking some road crap with it. And it would be even better if you clean/lube with a solvent such as WD40.

It would be nice if we could have a poll on the lube type and frequency that people use, and the amount of crap buildup in the sprocket area. And the consequences for the slave cylinder. My gut feeling tells me that people who lube their chain a lot (too often), suffer slave cylinder problems more often, due to the crap buildup in the sprocket area.
I don't think there is such a thing as lubing the chain too often. I like that my chains last over 70,000 km and get close to 80,000 km. (Current OEM chain has almost 73,000km/ 45,000 miles.) I'm just going to have to spend a few minutes cleaning out the gunk in the sprocket area a bit more often. (What would be the best cleaning agent? Kerosene?) I am going to make a point of cleaning that area with every oil change for a starter and see how that works.


Some other thoughts:

-I don't consider chain wax a lube. I think it is just for show bikes to stop the appearance of rust on the links.

-I think that almost anything that does a half decent job of lubing the chain will fling a certain amount (and that is why the chains doesn't; need to be "cleaned".). Regardless of how viscous it is I am sure it will combine with the sand from the gravel roads I routinely ride on and build up in the front sprocket area unless you have copious amount of liquid running that will dilute it enough so that it runs. (I have to do an experiment and try combining different viscosities of oil and tranny fluid and even WD40 with sand but I am sure that all of it will combine with sand and cause a buildup. If I have any oil residue on my hands and there is any sand present the sand sticks.) Unless you could protect and constantly bath the chain in oil (like the timing chain) then you need something that will stay on the chain and it will have to have some "stickiness". I would think that even an automatic chain oiler will use an oil that will stick on a certain amount else it would have to use a lot more oil than it does. I don't know about Teflon but can't see it giving the kind of chain life I get using what I currently use.

-I don't believe that "cleaning" the chain does anything useful beyond cosmetic concerns. I haven't cleaned the last 5 or so chains on my Stroms and all have lasted over 70,000km/43,000 miles. None have failed but were replaced at the closest rear tire swap after 70,000 km.

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Vee3 or V3 = DL1050 2020 to?

My Stroms:
2006 DL650: 202,000 km 125,500 miles, Sold
2012 DL650 139,500+ km, 86,700+ miles. Sold
2015 DL1000 New July 2015 205,000+ km, 127,000+ miles.

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