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post #1 of 60 Old 11-02-2008, 07:50 PM Thread Starter
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DL1000 vs. DL650 engine smoothness question.

I just had a chance to test ride both bikes in the same afternoon. Both were 2008 models.

The DL650 had 2100 miles on it. The DL1000 had 1450 miles on it. Both bikes were 100% stock and part of Suzuki’s demo inventory at the Cycle World show here in AZ this weekend.

I have been 90% convinced I was going to buy a DL1000 but was surprised by the test ride.

The number one difference between the two bikes was the 1000’s engine seemed rough with more vibration, though it still had more power at lower RPMs. The 650’s engine was supper smooth with a surprising amount of power. I doubt I would feel the need to try and improve the 650's engine performance.

So my question is how much does the 1000’s engine smooth out with more miles and a little TLC in the form of TBS, improved PC III maps and sprocket change?

What is the history behind the DL1000's engine?

Thanks for any insight you can offer.

Follow up question: Is the 1000 engine as reliable as the 650? Does the smoothness of the engine effect maintenance cost and the amount of repairs required over time? I tend to keep vehicles for a long time. I maintain them well. I guess what I'm getting at is does the 1000 suffer from the extra vibration causing break downs?

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The 1000 engine benefits greatly from a TBS, but it will never be as smooth as the 650. Only buy a 1000 if you enjoy hammering the throttle and having torque give you a good kick in the gut. If that's not your thing and you're more interested in a nice smooth application of power then save some money and buy the 650. Both are great bikes, but you ride them very differently.


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This seems to be such a individual subject.
I can only say the DL does seem to smooth out after a while.
Like a dog training the "owner" I suppose.
I have about 4k on a 07 Dl 1000. When I first rode the bike I almost took it directly to the honda dealer to trade for a VFR. Glad I didn't. With no mods beyond a windsheild bracket, it is smooth enough for me. No problems unless I ride too long without a break (5-6 hours). I've never been on a wee so I can't compare them. I will say I like the power of the DL and would hesitate to give it up.
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I own a 650 and have a close friend that owns a 1000.

My 650 IS smoother than his 1000...but...his 1000 will pull wheelies with ease.

The 650 winds out just fine for top end and highway travel....it's the low end punch the 1000 has that the 650 doesn't.

My 1st ride on a Wee was after I bought mine sight unseen and rode it back to SC from TX straight through the night....I was very impressed by it's highway manners as that is not the purpose for which I chose it....but a nice bonus none-the-less!

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I've ridden both machines...both are superb and the Wee is a suprisingly powerful bike. The engine does seem a bit smoother on the Wee over the Vee. That said, there really isn't much difference in my opinion. You can ride non stop for hours on either without a problem from vibration. My Vee still only has 500 miles on it and is completely stock...but it is pretty smooth for a twin, and I have just given up a silky smooth four cylinder jap machine, so I know what I'm talking about. All the Vee's I've ridden are smooth...but overwhelmingly...very powerful! It's horses for courses...but I wouldn't give up my Vee's extra power!

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I just had a chance to test ride both bikes in the same afternoon. Both were 2008 models.

The DL650 had 2100 miles on it. The DL1000 had 1450 miles on it. Both bikes were 100% stock and part of Suzuki’s demo inventory at the Cycle World show here in AZ this weekend.

I have been 90% convinced I was going to buy a DL1000 but was surprised by the test ride.

The number one difference between the two bikes was the 1000’s engine seemed rough with more vibration, though it still had more power at lower RPMs. The 650’s engine was supper smooth with a surprising amount of power. I doubt I would feel the need to try and improve the 650's engine performance.//
Me, too.

I rode a DL1000 first and was not impressed. I would not have even looked at the DL650 until I was convinced by others that it was a lot more different bike than the specs show.

Along with better mileage and lower price, the DL650 engine is another reason why the DL650 outsells the DL1000.

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are we really talking about this again? this is how i make my vee run well...

I fill up the tank with fuel...put on my gear and go ride....many, many miles and smile the whole time!
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The DL1000 will never be as smooth. The DL650 or SV650 motor is probably the smoothest twin around. Like butter. Big liter twins always have a bit of lump to them, just comes with the territory. The 650 is just a sensational little motor, my SV650 was probably the most usable bike I've ever had. Only downside is the lack of grunt for two-up riding in comparison to the 1000. People seem to get by two-up on the 650 though. That's why I got the 1000.

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Here's food for thought...

I have not ridden a Wee, but my Vee has a coarse feel to it below 4000-4500 rpm on the whole. Any Vee owner knows that. Go above that range and it smooths out a lot.

What is the rpm that most folks spend their time at on a Wee (I am cuious the RPM at 75 mph on a stock geared bike)? We all accelerate and the smaller engine should feel smoother because of the much smaller power pulses. Once up to a given speed, the Wee runs at a higher rpm relative to the Vee, and probably by a good margin. By comparison it is at the higher engine speeds that the Vee smooths out IMO.

I'm guessing the smoothnes of the Wee is a combination of smaller reciprocating mass, running at higher cruise rpm where V twins tend to smooth out, and that something extra you get sometimes when all the aspects of a good design (Wee engine) come together to create the whole.

The Vee consists of two 500cc jugs, have you ridden a 500cc thumper lately? I rode my neighbors 1982 Yamaha XT 550 the other day and it's no better than my other friends 1 year old Honda XR650. NOT smooth. Large piston. I've been on smaller 250cc single cylinder bikes as well and they are much smoother. Technically the cylinders should cancel each other out, but they still are bigger pistons going up and down with much greater force, doing much more work.

Sorry to take up so much space in the thread. In my opinion it is all of the above that are coming together to make the differences.

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