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post #1 of 34 Old 04-23-2007, 12:14 AM Thread Starter
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Met a couple of LEO's today. Nice young gentlemen who might have been a little hasty in their decision. Seems that my headlight modulator is illegal in their opinion. Showed them the material pertaining to modulators that was posted on Web Bike World with all the legalese numbers and subsections. No dice. No ticket either but now I have ten days to prove I am legal OR remove the modulator.
As everyone here knows, I am not the smartest computer operator here. So, if a computer savvy member would be so kind as to search out the Canadian laws and regulations concerning headlight modulators and post them I would be more than happy and relieved. If I am running illegally so be it but I will not be impressed with removing the modulators on two bikes. Many thanks in advance.

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Ugh, I'm not a lawyer, so don't take this as fact.

But, the Motor Vehicle Act does say the same thing as what's listed over at Web Bike World.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/mvstm...tm#_Toc%20S7.9

However they even have a disclaimer at top of the page:

"Disclaimer

The documents in HTML format that are provided on this Web site have been prepared for use as a ready reference and do not have legal force or effect..."

You may have a good case to fight the ticket, but perhaps it may be worth taking out a membership in BCCOM and then asking them for assistance from their legal team. They love a good fight. Too bad some of the things they've fought for are a bit silly(tea cups for helmets)
http://www.bccom-bc.com/

Good luck with this. Keep us informed as to the final results.


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post #3 of 34 Old 04-23-2007, 01:31 AM
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He didn't get a ticket.
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post #4 of 34 Old 04-23-2007, 04:08 AM Thread Starter
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Will be having a little talk with some one in uniform tomorrow. Shoudn't be a problem. The one young fellow kept insisting I was distracting other drivers. Huh ?? Well certainly I was and that is a fact. Distracting other drivers from cell phones coffee, note books and loose pets. If they see me then my theory is they won't hit me. So far so good.

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I only use the modulator when I'm feeling squeezed. They are annoying. Good luck proving your case.

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post #6 of 34 Old 04-23-2007, 08:42 AM
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Two items to consider.

WW,

First,

I believe that BC has precedence over Canada, should there be any conflict between Canadian and British Columbian regulations concerning headlight modulators. I base this opinion on recalling that Ontario's Highway Traffic Act governs the operation of Toronto Transit Commission's street cars, and overrules any contradictory regulations in Canada's laws about street railway vehicles.

Section 7.9.4 of the Canadian laws at
http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/mvstm...m#_Figure%2032
does give very stringent requirements for headlight modulators. Those are daunting regulations, and you would need tremendous resources and many days of exhaustive testing to show that your modulators (both of them independently tested) meet all the regulations, and even if you could do all these tests, the results would only be opinions.

Second,

If you happened to buy your modulators from these guys:
http://www.treestumpmse.bc.ca/page2.html

Then you can offer those pesky cops a copy of the documentation provided by the merchant, and suggest that the case be closed because there is no evidence that you are outside the law.

If you think the way I do, the image of a uniformed buffoon trying to impale a rolling doughnut will be before your mind's eyes all the while.:mrgreen:

Good luck, and don'tcha leave us hangin'.
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Man alive this is weird, two threads about the same thing. Don't ask how I did it, I don't know. Okay, won't leave you hangin for long. My idea of talking to some one in uniform this morning didn't pan out. He was wearing jeans and a flannel shirt. A very soft spoken gentleman who took my info and went to check it out. End result is modulators are legal. He said he would take care of the paperwork and I thanked him and left. He also said he would notify the original two constables. This is not a victory as in Me Against Them sort of thing. I won't gloat and say I beat em at their own game, this is not a competition. Would be more than willing to comply with the law if it went the other way. Thanks again for all the help guys, much appreciated.

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You are part of the education process. Now those fellas won't bother other users of modulators. That's good work.

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Now those fellas won't bother other users of modulators.
Sure, but they'll be all bitter and stop people for 3 KPH over! :rolleyes:

And you know that WW's plate number is going to be red-lighted. If he so much as farts wrong they'll be there to catch him!!

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I'm confident WW farts correctly every time. If he blows his head off, other worries would take precedence anyway.

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