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When did you replace or chain, and which lube?

  • Less than 12,000 miles/20,000 km using chain oil

    Votes: 10 3.9%
  • Around 20,000 miles/30,000 km using chain oil

    Votes: 78 30%
  • More than 30,000 miles/50,000 km using chain oil

    Votes: 8 3.1%
  • Less than 12,000 miles/20,000 km using Teflon Lube

    Votes: 7 2.7%
  • Around 20,000 miles/30,000 km using Teflon Lube

    Votes: 60 23%
  • More than 30,000 miles/50,000 km using teflon Lube

    Votes: 21 8.1%
  • Less than 12,000 miles/20,000 km using something else

    Votes: 4 1.6%
  • Around 20,000 miles/30,000 km using something else

    Votes: 42 16%
  • More than 30,000 miles/50,000 km using something else

    Votes: 12 4.7%
  • I don't understand the question/ shouldn't have answered

    Votes: 21 8.1%

When did you replace your chain?

27K views 60 replies 44 participants last post by  HokiesRWee  
#1 · (Edited)
With the Questions about Chain life and lubrication, I thought it might be interesting to see how long people's chains are lasting and if there is any difference with the different chain lubes.

So: how long has your chain lasted, and which lube have you been using? If something else please leave a note saying what you have used.
 
#2 ·
I’ve never changed a chain although I did own bikes with 30K+ miles (before sold) using only regular motor oil…whenever I thought about it…out of my truck or car. I don’t see a category for that.

Maybe because there are too many choices and a tad bit confusing.
 
#3 ·
#4 ·
#8 · (Edited)
I'm now approaching 24,000 miles on the stock chain. I basically clean and lube every 400-600 miles, sooner if I'm riding in wet conditions. I've been using the DuPont Teflon Multi-Use Lubricant for the last 14,000 miles, before that, the Honda HP lube w/ Teflon in the red can.
 
#9 ·
Hopefully I'm a long way from changing my chain (only have around 700 miles) but I did lube it the other day with the Dupont Teflon I bought at Lowes! This stuff is great! It actually cleaned off the white greasy stuff the dealer put on it. Didn't fling all over my wheels!! When the time comes what type of chain breaker/riviter do you guys suggest? I don't have to have Snap-On quality, but I don't want cheap either. Cheers-BB
 
#10 ·
#12 ·
chain life has as much to do with riding style as it does lubricant & maintenance.


I have a scottoiler, 1 drip of Dextron III ATF every 60 seconds, no more,no less, zero chain maintenance, chain gets adjusted when I get a new rear tire, that's it

my front sprocket is always first to go, completely toast while there isn't any visible sign of wear on the rear sprocket ot chain.... I still replace as a set

about every 35,000 miles, my original 525 chain only lasted 18k, I am running 530 now

I have determined my wear is from my engine braking habits



 
#13 ·
I surprised there are so few getting higher mileage out of their chains.

It's looking to me that chains in general last around 20,000 miles/ 30,000 km regardless of what lube you use to take car of them, and that a highere percentage of riders use a Teflon lube.

..Tom
 
#16 ·
Just a follow-up to this thread.

A lot of people swear by Teflon lubrication, but what sparked this thread was the issue of chain life. I have never heard of anyone getting very long chain life with Teflon. It may be because the product itself is fairly new and most people don’t put on a lot of mileage. I have friends using Teflon and they didn’t get any different life vs. me using oil based products, and some have reported rust on the side plates. It might be that lubing the chain doesn’t really do anything, at least if you follow the instructions in the manual. Perhaps 20,000 miles of chain life is normal regardless of what you do.

The only people I am aware of that get real long chain life has been those using automatic chain oilers or who lube the chain a lot.



I ride unless there is snow on the road so given the amount of salt and stuff up here in Ontario Canada that can be a factor. I have had my Strom for a bit over 4 years and currently have over 135,000 km or about 84,000 miles. Last year was a very rainy year and I rode through lots of rain plus I rode more into this past winter than I have in the past so it would be expected my chain life would be less than my previous chains.

My first chain was maintained as per the manual with the chain cleaned with kerosene and lubed every 1000 km/600 miles. The chain lasted 33,900 km or about 21,000 miles.

The mechanic works on my bike (like tires and chain) told me that he thought cleaning the chain was highly overrated and that people didn’t lube enough. He suggested I don’t worry about cleaning and lube the chain after every tank and also after every ride in the rain. He also suggested that I use a product by Wurth called HHS2000. I didn’t take his advice on the second chain.

My second chain (DID X-Ring) was lubed slightly more often and cleaned less often and lasted 37,900 km or about 23,500 miles and was shot at that point. Realistically it lasted the same length of time as the first chain as it was pointed out to me near the beginning of a 5,500 km/3,400 mile ride that it had the red dust of death on it. Thankfully chains tend to fail gracefully as I made it home on that chain. I used chain lubes in both cases although I started the first chain with chain wax and once I cleaned the chain with wood stain instead of kerosene.

After my second chain I decided to listen to my mechanic. I didn’t listen quite well enough for while I lubed after each tank of gas and after rain riding, I was aiming slightly incorrectly. (I thought he said to aim between the plates but he said to aim at the area between the rollers and the inside plate) I didn’t realize that until he put on my last tire about 10,000 km or 6,000 miles ago but when I lube it tends to get over everything anyway.

Here are my results so far: ere HMy current chain has 63,500 km or about 39,400 miles on it. It has never been adjusted (he put it on slightly tight and said it would loosen up to be perfect. He was right.) It is a DID X-ring chain same as my second chain. The front sprocket shows wear but has life left in it. The back looks fine. What I have done is completely given up on cleaning the chain and I lube it when I fill up the tank or after a ride in the rain. I have thought it over and in my opinion cleaning the chain does nothing useful apart from cosmetic. It might be that the HHS2000 is the best lube, but I think the longer life has more to do with lubing it much more often.

I think the bottom line is that I you want your chain to last a long time then you might have to not do what the manual and “everyone” else is doing.

I’m sure your mileage will vary!

..Tom
 
#18 · (Edited)
At 9,710 km.

I didn't change the chain then, just the sprocket. I did replace sprockets (16 up front ever since) with my second and third chain although admittedly just because conventional wisdom suggested I should.

..Tom
 
#19 ·
The Real Chain Lubricant

I only have about 16,000 miles on my K7650 and the chain and sprockets are in good shape. However, I have 116,000 miles on my 1974 Kawasaki Z900 and am on my third chain/sprocket set. The first 2 chains were not "O-ring" chains - - those types of chains were not easily available back in the 70's & early 80's or, at least, I never heard of them.

I use any 10W30 cheapo motor oil that I can find. Although, for my Suzuki, I do use 10W30 synthetic oil motor oil. I squirt the oil on every 200 to 300 miles or whenever I remember to do it.

Yes, motor oil slings off somewhat - - what's the big deal. If you do not slop on gallons, there is very little sling.

What I like best is, as I turn the back wheel, I can hear the chain/sprocket metallic noise but as I squirt on the motor oil, everything becomes quiet. I do not hear the same silencing effect when I used any of the fancy lubricants that are prevalent in this forum.
 
#20 ·
I voted +50k, but in truth it was 48,000km when I changed my chain. Still had some life in it, but one of the sprockets was fading. I lube give a shot of lube every 2 tanks of gas. I recently switched over to Teflon but used the Wurth HHS2000 for many years. Wurth HHS 2000 High Temp Lubricant
 
#21 · (Edited)
I have slightly more than 25000 miles on my stock chain and sprockets and until about two weeks ago they have been fine. It seems that all of a sudden the chain is failing, so I will be replacing the sprockets along with the chain real soon. I used the teflon spray for awhile and then changed to chain wax which I like better. Cleaning was with a grunge brush and kerosene every so often and lubing every 300 miles or so. Until recently the chain has never needed adjusting more then a handful of times and then only slightly. I think the stock gearing is perfect for the roads here in West Virginia so no 16 tooth sprocket. just my .02
 
#22 ·
To me there are other variables at work when it comes to chain life. For example, how picky you are; meaning, if your chain is starting to show signs of wear, you replace it. Versus, someone who rides with a chain that is toast by any normal standard and thinks it's okay and good for another couple of miles.

I've seen people riding with chains they thought were fine that I thought were well beyond their normal service life. I've also seen guys riding with sprockets that were shark finned and they thought nothing of it either. So.............

Also, vee versus wee. The additional 30 HP to the rear wheel causes additional chain wear.

I guess the poll is a nice idea, no offense, but nowhere near science.
 
#23 · (Edited)
WD-40

I chose 'more than 30,000 miles using something else:

My current chain is over 33,000 miles, I degrease it once a month and lube it with WD-40 maybe twice a month. I chose WD-40 because I'll ride rain or shine and it works great in the rain and I can use it everywhere around the house....and I'm cheap.

But I also just ordered a new chain, sprockets and chain tool from Blair because I have a link sticking.....and because my concerns that the front sprocket is showing shark fins.

03 DL1000 about 350 miles weekly.
 
#26 ·
07 Wee

I have a manual chain oiler on the bike.

I use a combination of Royal purple 30wt full syth and tranny fluid. Ration changes depending on time of year.

1 squirt before i go for a ride.

500 miles a week commuting in LA traffic rain or shine all year long.

changed stock chain at 25K this way, last set changed at 30K and sprockets didn't show any real sigh of significant wear just wanted to change them for preventative reasons.
 
#27 ·
Sorry Tom, I think your poll is invalid.
Someone who uses more expensive teflon lube things is buying the expensive shit becasue they are taking care of their chain.
It's impossible to tell what causes the longevity (the care or the spendy lube) without running an experiment.

Your poll is also confounded, I can think of a dozen factors that would affect chain longevity as much or more than the type of lube used; here's a few off the top of my head:
- brand and model of chain (and age at installation)
- length of the average ride
- chain tension
- chain alignment
- riding in rain
- riding every day
- parking the bike indoors or outdoors
- how often the chain is lubed
- whether the chain is also washed.
- shifting technique
- throttle usage
- road or dirt riding
- 1k or 650?
- the list goes on and on...

Without controlling for these extraneous variables, it is utterly impossible to look at your poll and say "aha, dupont teflon lube is what will make my chain last a long time" or "I don't need to do any chain maintenance at all"

Another factor is do people replace their chain when it is finished, or when it starts making noise?

See? lots and lots of variables that can and probably do confound your poll. It's a good idea, but it's just not how science is done.

If anybody wants to participate in an experiment, we could have them sign up and start following a specific set of procedures religiously from the moment they install their next chain, and see how long it lasts. We'd need about 30 stromtroopers to get results that come close to being statistically significant. I'm willing to give it a go; I design and run experiments every day.
 
#28 · (Edited)
Sorry Tom, I think your poll is invalid..
...
It is invalid if you read too much into the poll, but it does answer one question: regardless of what you do, mileage around 20,000 miles/30,000 km is typical for our users.

The only people I am aware of that consistantly get high mileage are ones that lube their chain way more often than the manufacturer recommends. This usually is an automatic chain oiler using an oil based product. (Typically these riders use an oil based product but I have heard of high mileage with teflon based if lubed often.)

My first two chains fit in the middle mileage wise, my current chain is over 72,000 km or about 44,500 miles. It had never been adjusted until a month and a half ago. Lubed with each fillup and after riding in rain (using HHS2000 but i don't know that the product is the reason why.)

..Tom
 
#29 ·
Just an interesting side comment...

About 20 years ago, I designed a machine that needed chain drive. Right now, I'm guessing it has over 60,000 hours and still running. The secret? It's oversized, sealed and in an heavy oil bath (50w). Every few years, we replace the oil and that's it.

Chains can last a very LONG time in the right conditions.
 
#45 ·
Umm, can you say cam and primary chains? Both will last the life of the engine. Cam chains in cars will easily go 200,000+ miles. The oil bath serves to clean and lubricate it.

The biggest thing killing exterior chains is foreign matter that serves as an abrasive plus the metal on metal contact between the rollers and sprocket teeth. Metal on metal contact wears no matter what if there is nothing to cushion it, it's the basic reason we lube and grease moving contact points.

I believe the primary use for lube is a cushion between the rollers and the sprocket teeth, the second acts to keep the o-rings sliding against the plate faces. The auto oilers keep the cushion more consistent than the rider squirting on some lube at intervals.

I haven't voted yet because I haven't changed the chain on the Vstrom or my KLR yet. The Vstrom chain it's still the original at around 15,000 miles and not in bad shape. I'm planning on changing the chain and sprockets at 20,000. The KLR chain is at 12,500 and in decent shape considering it sees more off-road than the Strom chain.

I've been using the Maxima synthetic clear lube. It's a bit messier than I'd like but seems to keep the chain "lubed" better than most I've tried, ie it doesn't go dry quickly. I clean the chains using the Dupont chain cleaner and a grunge brush when I see them getting too grungy. It's not very scientific, but I find the chain condition varies more by the riding conditions than the mileage.

I wish I could answer the poll "I don't have a chain", that's my preference.

I don't see any reason to knock the poll, I found it interesting and just as relevant as most opinion polls the media does.
 
#30 ·
Im working on 25k on my current chain/sprocket combo and they still look great. I use a scott oiler but do one drop every 30 seconds using Torco full synthetic chain case lube. Never need to adjust my chain except when installing a new tire.. I changed my first chain because of some links that were getting sticky.. I had about 12k on it and had only used honda lube. The scott oiler is one of the best farkles Ive added hands down..
 
#37 ·
I got around 40,000k's just lubing once a week but went through two front sprockets in that time.

I now use a chain oiler that's loaded with ATF, the chain gets a couple of drops every 50km or so - ~30,000km on the chain and sprockets so far with no noticeable wear on chain OR sprockets. ATF does seem to work well, though I suspect the regular addition of lube also helps.

Pete
 
#33 ·
I replaced chain and sprockets at 42,000 Km. Seldom cleaned (occasional spray with WD 40), lubed with whatever is handy - 90 Wt. gear oil, WD 40, chain wax, Fluid Film, and recently, dupont teflon ninja juice. Lots of rain riding, gravel roads, salted roads. High speed running, never had to adjust the chain except at tire change times. When I replaced them, I went with OEM parts - I figure if I can get another 40,000 Km out of the second set, that's good enough for me.
 
#34 ·
I will be replacing my chain and sprockets this winter and I will have over 30,000 miles. They are the original. I am happy with the DuPont Teflon lube that I have been using.