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View Poll Results: I'm sure the question has been beat to death, but which one for me?
DL650 22 53.66%
DL1000 19 46.34%
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Old 10-19-2012, 03:32 PM
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Your Honor, this is obviously pure subjective opinion and a deliberate effort to mislead the jury.

We have introduced into evidence the manufacturer's documents indicating a 40 pound difference in weight between the two bikes. Maybe that's "a lot of pork" where PeteW is from, but in my county, that's a good bowel movement.
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Just out of interest for those that care about stuff like this;


Wikipedia says 30 lbs more for DL1000 (520 lbs) vs original DL650 (490 lbs. Some would say that 520/490 means the DL1000 weighs 6% more, but really the real world weight difference is:

(520+200 lb rider+gear)/ (490+200 lb rider and gear)


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720/690 or about 4% more.

Horsepower is often mentioned at 98 for the DL1000 and 62 for the Original DL650.

If we looked at weight to power ratios (with the rider above) then we get

DL1000: 720/98= 7.35 lbs per horsepower
DL650 690/62 = 11.13 lbs per horsepower

The DL1000 has about 50% more horsepower per lb.

I would tend to agree the the weight difference doesn't amount to a "lot of pork"; especially when you look at the difference in horsepower and the power to weight ratio.

(For those of us that weigh more than 200 lbs with gear this difference is larger, and benefits the DL1000 even more. I'm sure that my weight plus gear plus the crap that is in my topcase and added to my bikes would add another 100lbs to the above.)

Here is another interesting nerdy line of thought. For the sake of discussion lets ignore frictional drag (tires, wheels bearings, etc. These tend to be linear so aren't as big a factor at speed.) Lets also assume that both bikes have perfect gearing for the speeds mentioned which of course isn't true but surprisingly this line of thought seems to work out anyway.

Let's say it took 20 hp for a V-Strom to hold 60 mph (the size of the bikes and frontal area is essential the same so this should be the same for both bikes.)

At 75 mph it would take 1.56 times more power to hold the speed. That means about 31 hp is needed. A DL650 would have about 31 hp in reserve, a DL1000 would have about 67 hp in reserve or roughly DOUBLE the power available for passing.

110 mph would require about 67 hp. The DL650 wouldn't get there (which seems close to reality) The DL1000 would keep accelerating. at 130 mph it would need about 94 hp so would be pretty much tapped out.

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Just out of interest for those that care about stuff like this;


Wikipedia says 30 lbs more for DL1000 (520 lbs) vs original DL650 (490 lbs. Some would say that 520/490 means the DL1000 weighs 6% more, but really the real world weight difference is:

(520+200 lb rider+gear)/ (490+200 lb rider and gear)


or

720/690 or about 4% more.

Horsepower is often mentioned at 98 for the DL1000 and 62 for the Original DL650.

If we looked at weight to power ratios (with the rider above) then we get

DL1000: 720/98= 7.35 lbs per horsepower
DL650 690/62 = 11.13 lbs per horsepower

The DL1000 has about 50% more horsepower per lb.

I would tend to agree the the weight difference doesn't amount to a "lot of pork"; especially when you look at the difference in horsepower and the power to weight ratio.

(For those of us that weigh more than 200 lbs with gear this difference is larger, and benefits the DL1000 even more. I'm sure that my weight plus gear plus the crap that is in my topcase and added to my bikes would add another 100lbs to the above.)

Here is another interesting nerdy line of thought. For the sake of discussion lets ignore frictional drag (tires, wheels bearings, etc. These tend to be linear so aren't as big a factor at speed.) Lets also assume that both bikes have perfect gearing for the speeds mentioned which of course isn't true but surprisingly this line of thought seems to work out anyway.

Let's say it took 20 hp for a V-Strom to hold 60 mph (the size of the bikes and frontal area is essential the same so this should be the same for both bikes.)

At 75 mph it would take 1.56 times more power to hold the speed. That means about 31 hp is needed. A DL650 would have about 31 hp in reserve, a DL1000 would have about 67 hp in reserve or roughly DOUBLE the power available for passing.

110 mph would require about 67 hp. The DL650 wouldn't get there (which seems close to reality) The DL1000 would keep accelerating. at 130 mph it would need about 94 hp so would be pretty much tapped out.

..Tom
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Moderators please remove the quoted post and ban the member that posted this immediately. We will not have facts get into the way of a good wee bashing vee thread. We will not put up with this line of unquestionable truth. We will merely ask for the allowance of flooding out of the facts through misinformation by wee owners whom have never even rode the vee.
Don't worry.... I'm sure most here won't bother reading that anyway, and if they did they wouldn't believe it anyway.

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sounds reasonable to me.
But i have owned both, and still prefer the wee...
To each his own,ride what ya like...
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I went with the Wee.
2005 DL650 no farkles. The day after I got her.
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And two weeks later.
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Tom, that is exactly why I bought a Vee. But the wee is a great bike also. This poll is currently pretty scewed right now as last I heard its about 5 to 1 wee over Vee.

To each his own. I ride everything.

It is comical to me to see wee owners wish for an 800 but shy away from a 1000 that is exactly the same chasis as what they own. I want a 1200.
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And two weeks later.
you still aint gots no tag on that rear fender, paper, plastic nor metal...

GREAT START!

& for all those 1K fans, i gots me a 6fiddy & a tree fiddy, don't dat make 1K?

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you still aint gots no tag on that rear fender, paper, plastic nor metal...

GREAT START!

& for all those 1K fans, i gots me a 6fiddy & a tree fiddy, don't dat make 1K?

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Congrats on the bike you will love it. I have had my 2011 Wee for two years and everytime I think about selling her for that "better" bike I think of everything I would need to give up and realize when I am on the road the bike is alot of fun. It still is the perfect bike. HOWEVER, I think I will need to go to some Wee meetings because I keep buying farkles and wanting to keep doing more.

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