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post #1 of 83 Old 05-30-2017, 07:09 PM Thread Starter
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Route-mapping without a GPS unit

It's been a good year or longer since I investigated this and, with a small group ride coming up this weekend, I thought it was time to check again.

Has anyone come up with a phone app that allows decent mapping of a route so I can get turn-by-turn directions while leading a ride?

When I've checked this out in the past, the only options seemed to be either dropping $400 on a dedicated GPS unit, or making do with apps that didn't do the job or had to be heavily work-arounded.

It seems odd to me that Google Maps hasn't made something like this readily available. Or maybe they have, and I've missed it.

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Here's what I do. I downloaded a free program called Tyre to Travel. It has a fairly easy learning curve, way easier than something like Basecamp. Tyre uses Google Maps, so in order to plan routes on it, you need to have an internet connection.

I create the custom route on Tyre. Then I plug in my Garmin 2455 to my computer, and drag and drop the custom route from my computer to the Garmin. It then gives turn by turn directions on my Garminas I travel .

If you want to use a smart phone, you can purchase and app called OsmAnd. I think it costs $8.99. You can upload the custom .gpx file created on Tyre to the cloud, or else email it to yourself. Once it's on your phone, open that custom .gpx file using OsmAnd, and the OsmAnd program will give you turn by turn directions just like the Garmin will.

There are other programs to create custom .gpx files, like Furkot. I don't use that one so I can't comment on how good/bad it is. Other guys here use it and swear by it.

You can create custom routes on OsMand itself, and since you can download maps to OsMand, you can use it without an internet connection. I personally find the user interface for planning routes on OsmAnd to be way more complex than I'm willing to deal with, so I just create the routes on Tyre. I either do it at home, or on the fly while I'm at a motel room.
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Here's what I do. I downloaded a free program called Tyre to Travel. It has a fairly easy learning curve, way easier than something like Basecamp. Tyre uses Google Maps, so in order to plan routes on it, you need to have an internet connection.

I create the custom route on Tyre. Then I plug in my Garmin 2455 to my computer, and drag and drop the custom route from my computer to the Garmin. It then gives turn by turn directions on my Garminas I travel .

If you want to use a smart phone, you can purchase and app called OsmAnd. I think it costs $8.99. You can upload the custom .gpx file created on Tyre to the cloud, or else email it to yourself. Once it's on your phone, open that custom .gpx file using OsmAnd, and the OsmAnd program will give you turn by turn directions just like the Garmin will.

There are other programs to create custom .gpx files, like Furkot. I don't use that one so I can't comment on how good/bad it is. Other guys here use it and swear by it.

You can create custom routes on OsMand itself, and since you can download maps to OsMand, you can use it without an internet connection. I personally find the user interface for planning routes on OsmAnd to be way more complex than I'm willing to deal with, so I just create the routes on Tyre. I either do it at home, or on the fly while I'm at a motel room.

You can also create a route in Google maps, copy the URL to GPS Visualizer, convert it to .gpx, upload to OsMand...

and Bob's your uncle!
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It seems odd to me that Google Maps hasn't made something like this readily available. Or maybe they have, and I've missed it.
Yes Google Map does it.
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+1 on what spec wrote. Use google's "my maps" and you can even hand draw the route.
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OK, so I played around with Google's My Maps tonight for an hour or so.

I was able to create my route on a map without too much difficulty.

Next...figuring out how (if?) I can get navigation to work with my route.

I've been able to access my saved map through the Google Maps app on my phone (via 'My Places'). But that's where I get stumped. I can't seem to find anything that will let me navigate the route.

I did download Google's My Maps app, but that's totally useless as far as I can tell -- I can't even find my saved maps on that.

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You need to get a .Gpx file from the route. As spec noted above use gpsvisualizer to take the exported file from my maps and convert it to .gpx. the email the .Gps to yourself. When you double click the attachment on your Android phone it should launch osmand and load a "track" that you can follow as following the dot or navigate with.
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You do not navigate the .Gpx with Google maps. You navigate with osmand on the phone.
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If you use Tyre to Travel, you don't need to use any file converters. You can plan a route by either entering a starting and ending point and the program will find the shortest route (and you can exclude highways if you want, so the program will give you the less direct route). You can then drag the route anywhere you want between those two endpoints. You can also just double click anywhere on the map to plan the most meandering circuitous route you want, and the program will store up to 1000 waypoints for each route. The program has many different features, including a reverse feature where you can flip the starting and ending points. You can also easily calculate the distances and times between individual waypoints right on the map, to help you in planning a trip.

You can save the route in multiple formats right in the program, without needing a separate file converter. The formats include .gpx files, Tom Tom files, .kml files, and .kmz files.

To load it onto a GPS or phone, you just drag and drop the route from wherever you saved it onto your device (provided your device has the ability to read an imported file). If you use a smart phone as a GPS, you just need a program to read the file, like OsmAnd. Dragging and dropping works just fine for any Garmin GPS that has the Trip Planner feature. Once it's on the device, you just open it; the device will recognize the route and give you turn by turn directions. If you're the kind of rider who likes to have a cue sheet with mileages/times between waypoints and written directions, the program will print out a "road book", listing all that info.

I've attached a photo of a route I just rode yesterday, created on Tyre in about 10 minutes. Clicked a bunch of points on the map to make a really wandering route, dragged it onto my Garmin 2455, and it was done. I also dragged it onto my phone as a backup. You open the .gpx file with OsmAnd, and it works just like it does on the GPS.

If you miss a turn, the device will automatically recalculate the route to get you back on track. If you find you can't go down a particular road (like for road construction), you can skip ahead on the list of waypoints to work around the road closure.

I've used both Google Maps and Tyre to create routes; Tyre has a much better user interface. In fact, it was designed by a motorcyclist with an eye towards a motorcyclist's needs when route planning.
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Wow! I'll have to update my system.

For years now I just study Google maps on PC the night before with notepad open (in 24 point for my old eyes) and type up and print turn by turn directions in text, and put them in the map pocket of my tank bag. Works for me.

I did buy a MC GPS some years back but I could never read it in sunlight. I then tried a 7" tablet in the tank bag map pocket with maps but could never read that in sunlight either.

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