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post #1 of 60 Old 03-19-2017, 10:29 PM Thread Starter
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2017 V-Strom 650 vs BMW R1200GS

2017 V-Strom 650 vs BMW R1200GS.

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post #2 of 60 Old 03-20-2017, 07:43 AM
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You state the 2017 R 1200 GS has higher maintenance costs. I would love to see your chart of costs to compare that.
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Great review and right on the money IMO but the Vee2 would be a better comparison. It is much closer on performance but still much less on the budget.

I love the first few comments. BRING MORE WALLET

These guys aren't haters - they are experienced and disappointed BMW riders, owners, or ex-owners. They are describing real major problems on various models. The all too familiar experiences of a BMW.

"No way would I buy a BMW anything car or motorcycle. That clutch slave cylinder looking straight down the first motion shaft, when this starts to leak, and it will, the fluid will run straight into the clutch, also with the non vented bell housing dust from the clutch dust builds up on the gearbox Input shaft, making it necessary to remover the box and clean very 30thousand miles or so. In my opinion these BMW are service hungry. Those compensating rear suspension arms have very small Torrington type bearings which are not man enough for the loading placed upon them. The sealing of theses bearing is also not adequate. One wonders if the are purposely built to fail? When with a little more thought in the design could make these machines last without all this intervention."

"I had a BMW K1200RS, which has the same problems with the dry clutch getting contaminated by the clutch slave cylinder and output shaft seal. It went bad after 23,000 miles. Guess what? $2500 later it was fixed. Then, the final drive went out and guess what? I sold it!!! Another $1500 to fix that mess.... I got $4,000 for the bike, which means, I got my repair money back only!!! Junk, BMW boxer and "flying brick" motor dry clutch set up is a problem that WILL happen, not "if", it will.... Junk. I also had a BMW R1100RS that had the same problems. I will never own a BMW flying brick or boxer motored bike again, never. Suzukis don't have those problems and they are cheaper to buy. What does BMW stand for??? Bring More Wallet!!!!"

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SECoda, you sure do enjoy hating on BMW's! Which is fine if you are comparing bikes like are in the topic. What you post about has NOTHING to do with a 2017 BMW 1200 GS. FYI, they don't have dry clutches to "leak" anything onto.
Owning a BMW, I have found the facts to be different from what gets posted on may forums.

I am really wanting to see the comparison chart on maintenance costs of a 2017 DL 650 ( or DL 1000 ) and a 2017 R 1200 GS BMW that is being compared in this thread.
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'12 DL 650 '14 BMW R 1200 RT

WERKS modified clutch baskets for DL and SV 1000's.
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WERKS Quiet Ride windshields for 2012+ DL 650-transform your V strom. Nothing compares.
Have questions about the Quiet Ride or clutch in your DL or SV 1000? E-mail Terry info@werksparts.com
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realshelby - attack the messenger as always when you can't deny the message. At least be honest. I have a buddy with 328 that has been pretty good (but still has ridiculously expensive maintenance) and he says how lucky he has been compared to his BMW owner friends constantly. It is a fact. Emotion has little to do with it. Life is too short to hate or lie or fix your overpriced bike a lot.

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I am denying the message. Honest? You don't even know me. And what does a 328 BMW car have to do with.....anything? Just like this thread, based on riding his own DL 650 and very likely never riding any distance on the R 1200 GS, if at all, and posts a thread comparing them. I could tell that it was based on opinion only when he said the BMW maintenance was higher cost.........
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'12 DL 650 '14 BMW R 1200 RT

WERKS modified clutch baskets for DL and SV 1000's.
The BEST in chudder control, noise control, and lasting durability! AVAILABLE HERE: www.werksparts.com
WERKS Quiet Ride windshields for 2012+ DL 650-transform your V strom. Nothing compares.
Have questions about the Quiet Ride or clutch in your DL or SV 1000? E-mail Terry info@werksparts.com
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I published the maintenance numbers from a CR report myself. The BMW's were the highest of all of the bikes in the methodology. Are you denying the validity of that report too? I make it a practice not to live in denial of the facts.

I test rode nine different bikes when I upgraded from a DL650A to the DL1000 last fall and read dozens of reports and reviews. There were others I considered very strongly and objectively that were very close or even better to the V-Strom in some factors and it came down to price on the top ones. The BMW which I tested was not among them for the high cost (initial, maintenance, and repair) and reliability reasons. With limitless funds as Sanfransiscorider also indicated the choice might have been different.
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No one here has seen a maintenance report on the latest version R 1200 GS compared with a current DL 650. Which is simply the service manual breakdown of scheduled maintenance over time and miles along with dealer costs for those services. From Consumer Reports or anywhere else.

But all that does not matter. Have it your way, I am convinced there is no other for you.
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'12 DL 650 '14 BMW R 1200 RT

WERKS modified clutch baskets for DL and SV 1000's.
The BEST in chudder control, noise control, and lasting durability! AVAILABLE HERE: www.werksparts.com
WERKS Quiet Ride windshields for 2012+ DL 650-transform your V strom. Nothing compares.
Have questions about the Quiet Ride or clutch in your DL or SV 1000? E-mail Terry info@werksparts.com
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Realshelby actually owns both a V-Strom and a BMW and so do I. Owning both allows one to speak with first hand knowledge. On the other hand, SECoda has never owned a BMW, and as he stated, never will. Good for you SECoda for being one to spread misinformation on the Internet on a subject you have no first hand knowledge of. I tried to bite my tongue, really I did.

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