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Old 12-11-2012, 11:39 PM
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Nice review. One thing I find interesting is whenever bmw is mentioned on most forums there is a large contingent that comes out of the woodwork venting their spleen about service cost, final drives, uppity owners, etc.. yet as pointed out bmw sales are up while nearly everyone else is down. Here Suzuki is all but selling vstroms and other models at cost plus financing them at 0 percent but bmw sales are up.
Rather odd isn't it?
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Nice review. One thing I find interesting is whenever bmw is mentioned on most forums there is a large contingent that comes out of the woodwork venting their spleen about service cost, final drives, uppity owners, etc.. yet as pointed out bmw sales are up while nearly everyone else is down. Here Suzuki is all but selling vstroms and other models at cost plus financing them at 0 percent but bmw sales are up.
Rather odd isn't it?
Sales may be up at BMW, but dealerships are going out of business? I also wanted one (GS) but the dealer I went to went out about 2 months later, and they moved to a H-D dealership. My biggest fear was all the bikes in the service department, literally gathering dust, waiting on parts. Plus the fact the next closest dealer is in Indy-a long way to trailer a bike. Cheers--BB
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yet as pointed out bmw sales are up while nearly everyone else is down.
Could it be because BMW has always been more of a rich man's market? If so, that buyer segment is less affected by the economy. It wouldn't really explain why they are selling more, but the ecomomy could explain why other manufacturers are not doing so well.
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but the dealer I went to went out about 2 months later, and they moved to a H-D dealership.
Where I live, just the opposite happened. A second Harley shop owned by the same dealer closed because the main store was larger and nicer. One of his friends was a rep for Triumph and he convinced the owner to convert the second store to a BMW/Triumph dealership.
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There could be many reasons why BMW is increasing their market share while others are losing. However I believe the same is true of Ducati, Triumph and Victory as well.
I think that rather than it being a "rich man's market" it has more to do with the perception of value. It may be that when an economy tanks that the people who do have money enough to buy an expensive non-essential like a motorcycle want something that they perceive as holding its value and of high quality.
Perception is a funny thing, it may or may not hold up in the harsh light of reality.
It may somewhat explain why this occurs though and why companies like Suzuki have to heavily discount product to move it. Or, Kawasaki for that matter, I bought my Concours for $3k off list as it was a 2012 and the '13s are right behind. Its a very high quality bike but our local bmw dealer continues to sell out their stock, almost always at msrp.
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Not to mention that the Kwak is quite a bit less to begin with. That's the one I would buy if I were looking for a GT.
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Citizen4 I was a lot like you until a year or so ago. Long story short--if you're 6 feet tall or over, forget it!

For a long time I thought that if ever the chance came, I'd be on a K1600GT so quickly it'd make your eyes water. Then came the day of reckoning....
At last year's bike show on the Gold Coast I had the opportunity to try one on for size and to my disbelief, the thing's too small, and way too small at that! I'm 6'4" with a 34" inseam and there was no way I could sit on this bike comfortably let alone try to ride it. When I bought my Vee I put some Renthal bars on it and had the seat raised 2" to provide more leg room. Simple easy fixes, and I've since done many comfortable long distance rides.

When I sat on the Beemer my arms were cramped and my knees were almost touching my elbows. I asked the salesman if this particular bike had been pre-sold and had somehow been adjusted for a much shorter person (although I couldn't see how the Beemer's bars could be altered or replaced with after-market items). He just looked at me strangely... I always thought that the big touring Beemers were made for large-framed Germans and Americans so I was extremely disappointed that the K1600 had to be scratched from my lust list.

I was passing the BMW stand later in the day when I saw another guy on the K1600, sitting back on the pillion seat, saying "this is where the rider's seat should be!" (the same salesman was looking on --not amused) so obviously it wasn't just me having trouble with it's seating position. Two days later, being something of a masochist I suppose, I called in to the local Beemer dealership and spoke to one of the sales people about the K1600. Immediately she told me I'd have no chance of fitting onto it, which I again proved with their display bike.

Whatever I decide, it won't be a K1600, sadly.
Aww man, this does worry me. I'm 6'1" and have always worried about feeling cramped on a long commute on the k1600gt. Maybe I should just sit on one like you did and then rule it out the equation and stop thinking about it lol.
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Here is a comparison between the 1600GT and Concours 14.

Basically the BMW if price doesn't matter.

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Not to mention that the Kwak is quite a bit less to begin with. That's the one I would buy if I were looking for a GT.
It makes you wonder though that the Connie is excellent, quite a bit cheaper to begin with and Kawasaki still has to discount it even further to sell it while BMW is selling more and more at full bore. gotta be a story there.
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gotta be a story there.
Maybe there is, but one word that comes to mind is "German." I'm sure BMW would like to be considered the top dog and seems to have cultivated a customer base that generally agrees and doesn't mind paying to have the "best." I'd like to play around on that 1000RR if I had throwaway cash.
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