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Old 12-13-2011, 11:19 AM
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It appears you guys were right. While LightSquared argued that only about 10% of GPS units would be affected it appears it's much higher. But only due to the GPS manufacturers being cheap and sloppy. I'm hoping that newer models will not be affected.

DailyTech - LightSquared Wireless Service Signals Interrupt 75 Percent of GPS Receivers
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This story is bizarrer and bizarrer. Lightsquared wants to go ahead with this project knowing that 10% of GPS users will be affected? Let's see...roughly calculated, that still comes out to about a hundred gazillion dollars in potential liability claims.

Now I'm wondering if this whole thing wasn't a scheme to bilk investors. It's pretty easy to hide a lot of money in the "research and development" of a project which was never intended to come to fruition.
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More details in this article: LightSquared plans to quadruple power of its network - Nextgov

I would be annoyed indeed if my TomTom poops out because of this.
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unfortunatley, even with reduced power, the 10% that remain are the most expensive precision uses of GPS

should I invest in $40k of new survey grade gps gear
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This story is bizarrer and bizarrer. Lightsquared wants to go ahead with this project knowing that 10% of GPS users will be affected? Let's see...roughly calculated, that still comes out to about a hundred gazillion dollars in potential liability claims.
How do you figure liability claims?

I'm having a hard time understanding this. Do you think that someone would sue Lightsquared for crashing their car because their GPS went weird? Lol, good luck proving anything of the sort.

There's no way an end-user could sue; a GPS manufacturer, maybe.

That article wasn't very well written either. Where do you get that 10% of the users woudl be affected? The article mentions 75% of the GPS systems tested, and it was only within 100 metres of the base station.

I don't consider that much of a disruption; my GPS doesn't work at all when I'm driving under the electrical wires that are used by busses. Do you think I should sue the bus company? Should I rear-end one of their busses first to make sure I have a strong case?
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Civilian and Some commercial airplanes rely on accurate GPS so as not to fly into structures and terrain.

Emergency services rely on GPS to get to locations quickly

I know an update to my Oregon has it somewhat slower and less accurate than before

So people will die so that the child porn can get to the Androids and Ipads faster.

The fix was in for over a few years. Obama and his friends took a piece and probably some Republicans too.

Shut up you filthy peasants your betters have spoken.

Elect more Godless amoral lawyers.


Just so you know a few years from now lightsquare will start selling their paid navigation system. Fortunately i am not sure but the Chinese GPS might save us... sleep well.
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How do you figure liability claims?

I'm having a hard time understanding this. Do you think that someone would sue Lightsquared for crashing their car because their GPS went weird? Lol, good luck proving anything of the sort.

There's no way an end-user could sue; a GPS manufacturer, maybe.

That article wasn't very well written either. Where do you get that 10% of the users woudl be affected? The article mentions 75% of the GPS systems tested, and it was only within 100 metres of the base station.

I don't consider that much of a disruption; my GPS doesn't work at all when I'm driving under the electrical wires that are used by busses. Do you think I should sue the bus company? Should I rear-end one of their busses first to make sure I have a strong case?
Believe it or not, but there are a lot more critical systems that rely on GPS than you in your car. The concern is the commercial airline flight that veers off course and collides with another plane, or an object and kills the hundreds of people on board. Not to mention the first responders not being able to respond fast enough, because their GPS malfunctioned resulting in someone's death. If they can prove that the Lightsquared signal caused the GPS to go down, that can lead to quite a few law suits. Not just a US thing...I have a feeling even the Canadian people would be outraged and seek restitution over such negligence.
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Believe it or not, but there are a lot more critical systems that rely on GPS than you in your car. The concern is the commercial airline flight that veers off course and collides with another plane, or an object and kills the hundreds of people on board. Not to mention the first responders not being able to respond fast enough, because their GPS malfunctioned resulting in someone's death. If they can prove that the Lightsquared signal caused the GPS to go down, that can lead to quite a few law suits. Not just a US thing...I have a feeling even the Canadian people would be outraged and seek restitution over such negligence.
I doubt an airplane would find itself within 100 yards of a Lightsquared base station; theyu tend to fly a bit higher than that.
As far as proving that it was the signal's fault, good luck!

We have pilots in planes for a reason; if they do their job (looking out the window instead of obsessing over a lightbulb and crashing in the everglades - see EA 401-), we'll be just fine.
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Civilian and Some commercial airplanes rely on accurate GPS so as not to fly into structures and terrain.

Emergency services rely on GPS to get to locations quickly
Here is an update from the AOPA that I posted in the other Lightsquared thread, a couple of weeks ago.


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RE: LIGHTSQUARED....Craig Fuller here passing along the very strong statement Senator Grassley made recently concerning the FCC and Lightsquared....

In response to the FCC’s release of documents related to LightSquared through Freedom of Information Act requests last week Sen. Charles Grassley issued a statement blasting the commission:

· "This holiday week document dump and the fact that these documents are already publicly available is a continuation of the FCC's pattern of hiding any actual information regarding the LightSquared waiver. Whether it's posting a bunch of old-news documents the day before Thanksgiving, or telling 99.6 percent of elected members Congress that the agency doesn't have to be responsive to oversight, this is an agency with a very serious transparency problem. The FCC needs to stop playing games and make itself accountable to Congress, the media, and the American people."
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I doubt an airplane would find itself within 100 yards of a Lightsquared base station; theyu tend to fly a bit higher than that.
As far as proving that it was the signal's fault, good luck!

We have pilots in planes for a reason; if they do their job (looking out the window instead of obsessing over a lightbulb and crashing in the everglades - see EA 401-), we'll be just fine.

Duck, testing was done at 100 meters to determine if there was interference, there have been no tests to date to determine the maximum range of interference

what's acceptable for interference in relation to consumer grade gps has no relationship to what is acceptable for precision gps


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