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post #31 of 102 Old 01-31-2017, 10:14 PM
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I think two riders a lot safer than two up if only for rescue purposes - kid and I have rescued each other a couple of time ....you can see each others bikes catch any issues the rider can't see etc and if you are moteling really no extra accommodation cost..
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I'm planning on Mitas E07s as well

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I gave Scouts consideration but Mitas won for following reasons: cheaper, last longer, better grip
@cyclopathic : I have been debating between Shinko 705s and Mitas E07s for this trip. Didn't plan on mixing them up though. Is there a reason not to go with the E07s on the front of my Wee? Also, what is the big advantage of the Dakar version on mostly highway miles?

I also consider the Heidi K60s but am concerned about their grip on wet highways.

I plan to put new rubber on before I leave, as I have not heard/read good things about getting tires mounted along the way.

I'll be looking forward to your ride reports and I hope to post daily when I leave in late June.
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I also consider the Heidi K60s but am concerned about their grip on wet highways.
If it's got a centre band of hard rubber which helps the long wear - then you need to be cautious on wet smooth pavement...but with ABS it's really a non-issue. Read the the Scout reviews....then decide.
The E07s are either going to

Not wear as long

Have the same slippier in the wet.
You can find dozens of these comments

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Mitas E-07's [Archive] - Triumph Forum: Triumph Rat Motorcycle Forums

Mar 31, 2016 - [Archive] Mitas E-07's Tiger 800 - 800XC Mods & Workshop. ... While I thought that they were OK, be careful on wet pavement and paint stripes. ... They were more "slippery" than the stock battlewings and the Karoo 3s on road ...
Mitas E-07's [Archive] - Triumph Forum: Triumph Rat Motorcycle Forums
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@cyclopathic : I have been debating between Shinko 705s and Mitas E07s for this trip. Didn't plan on mixing them up though. Is there a reason not to go with the E07s on the front of my Wee? Also, what is the big advantage of the Dakar version on mostly highway miles?

I also consider the Heidi K60s but am concerned about their grip on wet highways.

I plan to put new rubber on before I leave, as I have not heard/read good things about getting tires mounted along the way.

I'll be looking forward to your ride reports and I hope to post daily when I leave in late June.
Have a big day.
705 is going on the front of my son's bike, as unfortunately choice of knobby front in 17" really limited. The only advantages it has a) 17", b) will go the distance, c) cheap. My only concern if it rains and gets muddy.

With respect to Dakar they were only $5 more (I got a bunch.cheap from EU check the link above) and according to hearsay they last longer than regular version. If I still have a job we only have 4 weeks for trip and trying to avoid unnecessary complications like tire swap.

In my limited experience the biggest tire killers are loaded freeway miles at higher speeds and temperatures, so usually stiffer rear tire does better on wear. 705 rear will not make the distance, the ADV rider who used them for 11k Alaska trip end up replacing rear tire twice, but Scout and E07 had made the trip.

I am not really good on ride reports but there will be stories to tell for sure. Our route is still on the drawing board. Out of places along the route we want to hit are Pictured rocks, NW Angle, Ghost towns in ND, Waterton/Glacier (liked it last time and it's along the route), Dry Falls, Mnts Rainer and St Helens. Maybe hot springs in Olympic, Hurricane Ridge, Cape Alava and Mora Beach if time permits. Not sure about the rest yet. When we plan route we pick places along the route and then use McNally and and other sources to identify scenic roads. Most of those roads still have 70mph+ speed limit, so not much time lost. Plus sometimes you find real gems; have really good memories of hacking through NW Illinois/SW Wisconsin around Galina? and camping in Red Barn was really unexpected. (Sorry for junky talk).

Regardless good luck to you in trip planning, have fun and make sure you build in enough buffer to compensate for unexpected!
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If it's got a centre band of hard rubber which helps the long wear - then you need to be cautious on wet smooth pavement...but with ABS it's really a non-issue. Read the the Scout reviews....then decide.
The E07s are either going to

Not wear as long

Have the same slippier in the wet.
You can find dozens of these comments
I will find a link but according to S10 owner who has 140k on his bike the E07, especially Dakar last longer than K60, and he had used both the earlier Scout version with liked center and later without. I asked him specifically.

E07 does have a ridge in the middle but only for last 3mm, just enough to get home.

Regardless K60 Scout or Mitas E07 both good choice.

Here is a word from the horse mouth (different rider):
http://advrider.com/index.php?thread...1181951/page-3
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Went up to DeadHorse from Denver put in almost 9k. GSA replaced a set of K60 after 4800 miles no robber left. KTM 1190 had TKC80 front K60 rear the front made it home the rear cracked NO PUNTURED said cracked half way into the trip. SUZUKI V-STROM 1000 front and rear K-60 rear CRACKED open after 6500 miles. 04 V-STROM 1000 front and rear K-60 made it home but with all kinds of complaints. GS800 front and rear K-60 made it home but handling complaints especially when wet. TRIUMPH 800 front and rear MITAS 07 made it home no problem no complaints whatsoever and most important great traction on all surfaces. These are simple facts as it's a fact that my 15 gsa will never see another set of K-60 again. Pretty sure none of us will buy em again lol.
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Riding partner on an F700 and I on my grossly overloaded DL1K both ran Mitas E-07 Dakar tires front and rear. They went the distance for each of us without any problems, he had 5000 miles on them when we met at my house in SE WA, mine were zero miles. He's still got some miles left on them after returning to San Diego, I think they have about 12kmiles on them. Mine look a bit more than half used now with 7500 miles on them. We rode Cassiar, Dempster (to Tombstone), Top of the World, side trip to Eagle, Dalton (to Galbraith Lake), Denali highway, and on the way home I hit McCarthy before heading south. The E-07 tires impressed me, I'll buy them again. They did well on every road condition I encountered.

Enjoy your trip!

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On the rear E07s Dakar I get an easy 14,000 miles. Have run at least four of them
On the fronts I get 20,000 miles. Not as inspiring off road as they could be.

On the solid center rear K60s I averaged closer to 12,000 miles.
I liked the front K60 better for off road traction but the road noise is just ridiculous.

I have 146,000 miles on my Tenere so I use a lot of tires.
The Shinko 805 804 are my favorite tires but just for select rides when I won't go over 5,000 miles.

Hope this helped.
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I ran at least seven K60 rears before switching over to E-07s
Like the E-07s way more! Last longer and no road whine. K60s just scream on pavement. Drives me nuts.
Alaska 2011 http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=1417.0
Alaska 2015 http://advrider.com/index.php?thread...lsaka.1087923/
Hyder Alaska 2up http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/ind...?topic=12837.0
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Don't forget about the Mitas Mc60 Getaway for the front. I have close to 6k on mine and it's about halfway. I like the way it handles sand and deep gravel better then the K60.

My buddy and I are kicking around a Prudhoe Bay run in 2018. For a route like that there is no way on earth I would attempt it on a 80/20 tire. Yes, 95% of the rides surface will be almost perfect, but it's that 5% that can hurt you. A soft surface, either sand or fresh gravel can be a problem, add wet to that and it's bigger problem. Many riders go down up there and almost all the ride reports re the same. "I was riding along on gravel at about 50mph, before I knew it I was in unpacked soft stuff and went down." I'm not saying a 50/50 tire will save you, but it darn sure will handle those situations a lot better and give more of a chance of not getting hurt.
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Guys, I know the Alskan is touted to be the biggest and the baddest there is but consider this: the guy in the link below got back from deployment, bought a brand new Piaggio MP3 500 CC *scooter* (a three wheeler) and rode from Florida, up the Alaskan and back on teeny tiny stock tires - 12" front and 14" rear.
He's not a bad photographer and he writes really well - I suggest anyone interested read this post for inspiration.

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Nice read..there is some guy around that made it on a 50cc Ruckus.
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Don't forget about the Mitas Mc60 Getaway for the front. I have close to 6k on mine and it's about halfway. I like the way it handles sand and deep gravel better then the K60.

My buddy and I are kicking around a Prudhoe Bay run in 2018. For a route like that there is no way on earth I would attempt it on a 80/20 tire. Yes, 95% of the rides surface will be almost perfect, but it's that 5% that can hurt you. A soft surface, either sand or fresh gravel can be a problem, add wet to that and it's bigger problem. Many riders go down up there and almost all the ride reports re the same. "I was riding along on gravel at about 50mph, before I knew it I was in unpacked soft stuff and went down." I'm not saying a 50/50 tire will save you, but it darn sure will handle those situations a lot better and give more of a chance of not getting hurt.
Let us know how much they last. I've been looking at them (Revzilla has them on sale) but they're getting discontinued. Here is an ADVpulse review:
Best Dual Sport Tires Search Leads to Sava MC60
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The only surface that proved a bit of a challenge for the Sava MC60 was deep sand and silt. The rear tire maintained good traction, but keeping the front from washing out while plowing through deep sand traps took a little extra attention. Deep sand is difficult for any dual sport tire on a large adventure bike, but front tire performance seemed to be significantly above the Heidenau K60 and slightly behind the Continental TKC 80.

While comparable in price and performance to the Continental TKC 80, the best selling point of the Sava MC60 dual sport tires is the tread life. After 1,000 miles of dirt, highway and twisty canyon riding, the rear tire shed only 2mm of rubber and the front just 1mm. Claims that the Sava MC60s will typically last 4,500 to 5,500 miles seem accurate. What’s more, the rear tire continues to hold its round profile instead of “squaring off” like the Heidenau K60s. Unlike the K60s, you don’t have to compromise off-road performance to get good tire life.
Interestingly that they can be mounted in opposite direction for longer thread life:
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Savatech, as they are known in Europe, is a Slovenian company and a subsidiary of Goodyear tires. The Sava MC60 GETaWAY is a tubeless tire designed for big adventure bikes and it has a unique feature not found on any other dual sport tire. Depending on the direction you mount the rear tire, you can either maximize traction off-road or increase tire longevity.
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What’s more, the rear tire continues to hold its round profile instead of “squaring off” like the Heidenau K60s
Ummmm the k60 rear tires start square....
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