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post #961 of 971 Old 12-25-2016, 12:53 PM
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I think that is why I noticed the upgrade from the Wee2 to the Vee2 so significantly as well. I live right in the Ozark foothills so hills and twisty's are the norm. I have two sharp hair-pin turns on a steep hill just to get out of my neighborhood to the top of the ridge. If I lived where things are primarily flat and straight on paved roads the differences would be much less noticeable. Brakes, engine braking, shifting, use of throttle are noticeably different. It's actually more work on the 650. More low-end torque and better engine braking are very good things in the constant roller coaster environment. Most folks probably don't have to deal with that all of the time. Both are outstanding bikes.
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I may be crazy but ever since I started riding at 17 I've always approached twisties with a pace where braking is not required. All the corners and straitaways flow seamlessly and if I feel the need to brake going into a corner I've misjudged the required pace. It requires a lot of discipline and awareness of the road ahead but over the course of several days it's a much less fatiguing way to ride. It also makes group rides much safer and more enjoyable.

Call me a numpty if you will but I can ride the same road at the same pace on a Shadow 750, cbr600 or V-Strom 650 and I'm quite content. So my quest is not one of power but of effortless riding balanced with comfort, range, performance and enjoyment. I've tried bigger bikes, I've tried smaller bikes. I found something just right in the 650.

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No calling you a numpty here. I like to do a similar thing on my rides which is to use the gears to slow me down for corners and use the brakes as little as possible. It's not all about riding in the most aggressive way possible. Not to me anyway. Smooth and flowing is also fast if you do it right.

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The only real gripe concerns the fuel tank, a 20 plus litre tank be good. Why was it reduced for the 2015 model DL 650.
Would like to feel I could go 450 ks between stops.

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On some of our inclines you would be at the bottom of a ravine without some form of braking unless you go 20 mph below the speed limit which is dangerous as well! Engine braking is still braking. The 650 is less effective in engine braking. Climbing twisties is where the 650 really disappoints. With two-up it is a lot worse. There just isn't any getting around the facts. Remember I owned both. For a while I switched back and forth to contrast them before I saw no reason to continue owning the 650. It only tops the 1000 in mileage and price but I paid basically the same for both (DL650A and the DL1000) as new but previous year models. There are too many improvements on the 1000 not to consider it seriously.

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I may be crazy but ever since I started riding at 17 I've always approached twisties with a pace where braking is not required. All the corners and straitaways flow seamlessly and if I feel the need to brake going into a corner I've misjudged the required pace. It requires a lot of discipline and awareness of the road ahead but over the course of several days it's a much less fatiguing way to ride. It also makes group rides much safer and more enjoyable.

Call me a numpty if you will but I can ride the same road at the same pace on a Shadow 750, cbr600 or V-Strom 650 and I'm quite content. So my quest is not one of power but of effortless riding balanced with comfort, range, performance and enjoyment. I've tried bigger bikes, I've tried smaller bikes. I found something just right in the 650.

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I guess you ride Harley speed, if you are not using brakes. That's an absurd idea for my pace.
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It has nothing to do with "speed'. More in how you set up for the corners. You can be doing 200mph and still not use the brakes if you start your speed reduction far enough away. It is not "racer' style riding but that does not mean that it is slow, merely a different technique and mindset.

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650 vs 1000: the definitive thread

I get it. When I took my racing license certification at racing school, they wouldn't let you use brakes for the first 30 laps. Many good lessons there. But if you want to carry any sort of decent pace, you need to be efficient on the brakes. Including trail braking.
Everyone rides at a different pace, I get it. I would be left for dead If I rode without using brakes with my buddies. (They are ex- number 1 plated road racers.)
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650 v 1000

I have ridden both. I own a 1000. I like the additional power. I have 31 pounds of fat on me so the extra weight does not bother me. I could just diet if it was a problem. Each choice you make for a bike is really about what YOUR needs and preferences are at the time of purchase. The 650 guys talk about how the 1000 is not smooth? I find the 1000 to have a superlative motor. Whatever! Choose the one that suits your needs.
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I owned and have rode both a lot. My experience is both motors really smooth out at 4000-6000 miles. If you have a worn in 650 and go test ride a new 650 or 1000 they will IMO seem rougher at low miles by quite a bit.

Where I live the additional power of the 1000 is a blessing.

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