what stove and fuel?

[Vstromjim]

My son and I are in the planning stages of a 30 + day trip to Alaska. I will have to buy a camp stove for the trip as we plan on doing our own cooking most of the time. This will be 60+ meals add to that hot water for tea or coffee, or coco. Bulk, weight, price and fuel are all issues that will affect what I buy.. So any imput for everyone is welcome. If you have a favorite please tell me why?
Thanks in advance Jim

[NoVA-Strom]

I love my Jetboil system, but it is not a good solution if you need 30+ days of fuel since it uses propane like cylinders. I would recommend one of the MSR stoves (http://www.msrcorp.com/stoves/) since they will run on gasoline, and white gas. You will always have a supply of gasoline and can get some from the bike if you are in an emergency. If you run a stove on gas you need to make sure you have a cleaning kit though because gas will clog stove lines quickly.

[Keith Falkner]

Here's something that takes some effort to make, but is very compact:

http://www.csun.edu/~mjurey/penny.html

I have not tried this, but it sure looks like a compact and economical stove, and would be fun to build.

If what you really want is hot water to make tea or coffee, or to mix with dehydrated foods, the

http://www.kellykettle.com/

might be best, because it uses twigs and such for fuel, which can be found in abundance in Alaska provided you do not go too far north.

These are great fun to read about and contemplate, but I use tin cans filled with cardboard and paraffin wax. Cheap to make and easy to use and wax doesn't spill while you are carrying it.

http://www.lovetheoutdoors.com/camping/stoveoven.htm

(I do it a different way - details if you want.)

When I have room to carry a two- or three-burner stove and white (naphtha) gas, I like Coleman's stoves. They are reliable and economical and they keep on working even if you don't treat them very well. As NoVa-Strom suggests, white gas is widely available. That is probably the best off-the shelf solution if you have room for it.

Lotsa choices.

Enjoy your trip.

Keith

[K1W1]

MSR XGK

Absolutely bombproof and will basically work with any flammable liquid including Whie Sprirts, Kerosene, Gas and Diesel.
If you have gas in the bike you will have fuel for the stove,

[tmcgee]

My son and I are in the planning stages of a 30 + day trip to Alaska. I will have to buy a camp stove for the trip as we plan on doing our own cooking most of the time. This will be 60+ meals add to that hot water for tea or coffee, or coco. Bulk, weight, price and fuel are all issues that will affect what I buy.. So any imput for everyone is welcome. If you have a favorite please tell me why?
Thanks in advance Jim

Check out your local REI store if you have one. They have pretty much all of the popular options on display and the people who work there are usually enthusiasts.

I have a jetboil, but as NoVA-Strom sez, you'd need more than that.

[Quebecois]

MSR XGK

Absolutely bombproof and will basically work with any flammable liquid including Whie Sprirts, Kerosene, Gas and Diesel.
If you have gas in the bike you will have fuel for the stove,

+1

I own the MSR WhisperLite internationale and love every bit of it. The XGK seams to be a good evolution (did'nt exist when i bought mine). One good thing about these is simplicity. It's hard to break and very easy to repair with little to no tools.

And they burn almost everything.

[Rubicon]

Don't carry any fuel with you there is plenty of fuel to be had most anywhere you go. I used the Zip stove on several motorcycle trips and it works as advertised.
http://www.zzstove.com/
I never had to search far for fuel, the batteries last a long time and are small to carry. The cotton balls with petroleum jelly starter works and you can get lots of them in one film cannister. Wet wood works with it as well as pine cones, twigs, charcoal ect...Many times other campers would come by to check out my stove, good conversation starter. Your pots will get blackened and can be a little messy, I kept my pots in a small stuff sack to contain the carbon deposits and keep my other gear clean.

TM

[TravellingStrom]

If you need cooking control(simmer), as compared to just heating water quick smart, then you could look at the Coleman Exponent 550B725. I have just ordered one, some bits are on backorder :( I saw one in use at Tintaldra just recently, it has excellent simmer control. The chap using it has been camping for donkeys and tried heaps of different stoves. His opinion was this was the only one that you could set the flame and it would stay where you set it. Multi fuel, can take Kero as well as white and unleaded, can't do diesel afaik, but nor does my strom. I need a fuel that is easy to get.

K1W1, how much control do you have over your burner? Bring it to Cobar, we can have a cook off :)

Cheers
TS

[sturgeon]

As everyone else (almost) has said, you can't go wrong with MSR. I've got a pair of Whisperlites that I've had for 20+ years. I clean 'em occasionally and they just keep on cookin'. And I use them a LOT, including in situations where my life depends on warm food. Only problem with them is they won't easily simmer. If you're not a gourmet (and I'm definitely not) then it's not a problem. The Internationale will burn diesel and unleaded as well as white gas. If you want simmering have a look at the Dragonfly model.

[iron_llama]

I use the simplest stove I've ever seen, anywhere.

It's an empty half-pint paint can.

I packed it with cotton balls and filled it with denatured alcohol. Pry off the top and light the cotton balls. They act as a wick for the alcohol. When I'm done cooking, I just put the top back on, which smothers the flame. When the cotton balls start to singe a little, it's time to re-fill the stove. It's great for heating up cans of soup or boiling a pint or so of water.

I did make a potstand/windscreen for it- I to a Progresso soup can, and used a Dremel tool to cut about a vertical strip out of the can, about 1/4th of the diameter's worth. Set it on a level surface, then set the can of soup I'm heating up on top.

At the moment, I'm using a Sterno can. Once I've burned all of the fuel, it's getting filled up with cotton balls and alcohol. It's not quite as sturdy as a real paint can, but it should be just fine.

Caution: This thing is HOT! Handle it with leather gloves.

http://wings.interfree.it/html/Plumber.html

[msy88]

sounds like a coleman, duel fuel would work well. I have the duel and it burns white gas and unleaded( always available). They make a multi that burns about anything but the duel works well. Heat water quickly and is stable enough on its own, Mine has no legs, just sits on the tank. Since you're going to be cooking that much, I can't imagine carrying enough fuel for anything else. The stove is about the size of a gal paint can, in fact it will fit inside one with a little room. Oh, mine came from Wally-world and it was very reasonable. Hope this helps

[cavehamster]

I love my Jetboil system, but it is not a good solution if you need 30+ days of fuel since it uses propane like cylinders. I would recommend one of the MSR stoves (http://www.msrcorp.com/stoves/) since they will run on gasoline, and white gas. You will always have a supply of gasoline and can get some from the bike if you are in an emergency. If you run a stove on gas you need to make sure you have a cleaning kit though because gas will clog stove lines quickly.

One can of isobutane will boil like 11 liters of water, though. I exclusively carry my Jetboil when out and about, bike or not. I have not used it for more than a long weekend of camping, but over a year of doing so, I have yet to go through a whole can of isobutane.

The isobutane canisters are small, light, and $5 each. The Jetboil packs inside its own cup for easy storage, and they now have a pot, skillet, and a coffee maker out. Plus, you can share the one stove amongst several cups.

If you need that last tiny bit of space, something that burns gasoline is probably a good idea, but you sure can't beat the Jetboil. It has a built in sparker and I've never had a wind problem with it.

Anyway, just a way too happy Jetboil user here ;)

[JayR]

I have an old army squad stove that runs off of white gas, Mogas, Unleaded, or leaded. The price was right too. I was part of the detail that move one armory to another when they closed it down. The USArmy and the NG had switched all vehicles over to diesel so the old stoves no longer had fuel readily available. We were to through out all the stoves. Well everyone in the detail that wanted one went home with one. My stove is all stainless except the fasteners. The pots are aluminum. It is very similar to the one pictured here and is made by coleman. It is not an M1950 as the M1950 Yukon is a tent heater.

http://kitup.military.com/2007/02/the_tanker_stov.html

[Genocache]

I know this is an old thread but........I have used a MSR Whisperlite International for about 5 years. It has been totally reliable for 1,500 miles on the Great Divide Mountain Bike Route. I have burned white gas and unleaded with out switching anything. The only downers...simmering and flare up when firing up. Good quick boil times, at altitude I use a small pressure cooker when I am not human powered camping. Motorcycle camping it also provides a reserve of fuel in the outback.

[Wingzofsteel]

For me I use my jet-boil. You can get approximately 72 1-cup boils out of the small canister. You can get them at any walmart. I also supliment this with my Stratus Trail stove. You can read all about it here:

http://www.trailstove.com/

The trail stove is nearly indestructable and is probable the most efficient wood burner I've seen. Easy to transport and easy to light. One spark from your fire steel on a ball of cotton an it is lit.

In addition to cooking I use it as a mosquitto / bug smoker by burning slow smoldering green woods. You may need to know this considering where you are going. A great little tool to use instead of a larger campfire.
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Wingz

[garandman]

I have the previous version of the Coleman Feather 442 dual-fuel stove (http://www.coleman.com/coleman/colemancom/detail.asp?product_id=442-725&categoryid=2005). Runs on unleaded or Coleman fuel, relatively small and light (1 lb 8 oz), lots of cooking time, good flame control from low to boil. Boils a quart of water in less than 5 minutes. Rebuild-able, available almost everywhere - $65 at REI, $60 at Campmor.
http://www.coleman.com/coleman/colemancom/large.asp?productid=442%2D725&prodname=Feather+442+Dual+Fuel+Stove

[Warhammer]

I use the Coleman 533 Dual Fuel (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=9870598)stove. It's the exact same as the 422, but has a larger fuel tank. This makes it a little bulkier and heavier, but also makes it a bit more stable. Oh, and you can get it at Walmart for $39. (They can be picked up on E-bay for $20 or less!)

I carry 2 MSR 33 oz. fuel bottles, which gives me more than enough cooking fuel and some gas for the Strom in a pinch.

[Boondocker]

I use the Coleman 533 Dual Fuel (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=9870598)stove. It's the exact same as the 422, but has a larger fuel tank. This makes it a little bulkier and heavier, but also makes it a bit more stable. Oh, and you can get it at Walmart for $39. (They can be picked up on E-bay for $20 or less!)

I carry 2 MSR 33 oz. fuel bottles, which gives me more than enough cooking fuel and some gas for the Strom in a pinch.

I have one of these too. Could do with something smaller, but it works. My issue with it is that it only has 2 speeds - high and very high. That's fine for boiling water quickly, but not so good for cooking. I've fiddled with it a lot and can't seem to get it to stay on with a low flame. It's hard to beat the versatility of dual fuel though.

[Warhammer]

Boondocker,
I've only had my 533 for a short time, but the flame on mine is very adjustable. Is yours old and maybe needs some cleaning/rebuilding. I know that burning unleaded in these this makes for a lot of soot. Maybe that's the problem?

Really, all I want to do is boil water. I bring all of my food frozen and in vaccuum sealed bags. I just need to boil one and it's meal time. The only pot I bring is my 12 cup percolator. After I boil a bag, the water is still clean and already hot enough to make coffee in just a few minutes. For anything more complicated than that, and I just ride to a diner.

[garandman]

Anyone using an MSR Whisperlite Internationale? It packs a lot smaller than the Coleman if you already carry a fuel bottle.

http://media.rei.com/media/548650.jpg

[Dorzok]

My son and I are in the planning stages of a 30 + day trip to Alaska. I will have to buy a camp stove for the trip as we plan on doing our own cooking most of the time. This will be 60+ meals add to that hot water for tea or coffee, or coco. Bulk, weight, price and fuel are all issues that will affect what I buy.. So any imput for everyone is welcome. If you have a favorite please tell me why?
Thanks in advance Jim

i was going to post that the only system worth having is this http://www.jetboil.com/. then i realized the original post is a year and half old. so i won't post it.

[sturgeon]

Anyone using an MSR Whisperlite Internationale? It packs a lot smaller than the Coleman if you already carry a fuel bottle.

I've been using my trusty MSR Whisperlite (plain, not Internationale) for more years than I can remember, at least 15. I like it so much that when the chance came up I bought another one, used, just to have around. I clean it once or twice a year or so (I use it a LOT, probably 40-50 days/year), replace a few o-rings every couple of years, and it just keeps on cookin'. I've also had to replace a couple of fuel bottles because they've gotten so beat up that I'm afraid to pressurize 'em.

Can't simmer very well, but there are techniques to overcome that. It's seen use in places as remote as the top of Ellesmere Island, 500 miles from the N. Pole, where if it doesn't work, you don't eat very well. And winter camping in N.Ont. at -20C. Hasn't ever failed me. It looks like hell, but until it stops working, I'll keep on using it.

I don't think I have any other outdoor gear, aside from a couple of knives and a Mitchell fishing reel, that I've had in reliable continuous use for as long. In that same period of time, I've been through (all top quality) 2 canoes, a dozen or more paddles, 3 or 4 tents, 4 or 5 sleeping bags, 7 pairs of hiking boots, 4 GoreTex jackets, well, you get the idea...

[Warhammer]

I got my spare fuel bottle holders mounted up last night.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v409/rlkeely/IMGP1149.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v409/rlkeely/IMGP1150.jpg

[garandman]

I considered the Whisperlite but for motorcycle use, I think the Coleman Exponent 442 is a better choice. You don't need an external fuel source, they don't leak fuel or fumes, they have enough capacity for a weekend, simmer well, starts well at -20 F and up (by my experience - didn't need paste), and still made in the USA. Got a 20% off coupon at REI so it was only $52.

The MSR stoves are better for backbacking, but this model is lighter than the old 400 series I have, so it's a few ounces to deal with. Hope I get to use this one as much as the last one!

[KRS]

I like my Snow Peak Giga, uses fuel canisters (no contamination and clogging) and is very light and small.

KRS

[badtux]

I like my Snow Peak Giga, uses fuel canisters (no contamination and clogging) and is very light and small.


I'm a bit of a stove wh*re. I've owned and used a lot of different stoves. Here is my assessment:

MSR Whisperlite: Won't simmer. Plastic pump. Leather cup in the pump dries out and has to be relubricated. (Leather?! In today's day and age? Sheesh!).

Optimus Nova: Fixes all the problems of the Whisperlite except the leather cup. Will simmer. Metal pump. Burns white gas or gasoline without changing jets (as does the Whisperlite International).

Svea 123: This ultra-simple white gas stove has one moving part, the fuel control knob that controls a needle that moves up and down to open and close the jet opening. It is pressurized by its own reflected heat and the fuel is carried up into the jet area by a wick. It is indestructible - no leather cup to dry out, no pump to break. Downsides: Can be tricky to prime. Doesn't put out as much heat as the pumped stoves. Need to place it on a good firm surface because it doesn't have any "legs" to spread out and stabilize it. *do not use a wind shield close to this stove* because it will reflect too much heat back, cause the stove to overpressurize, the pressure relief valve will go off, and you will have pyrotechnics! It has a built-in wind shield for the flame, use that by positioning the opening away from the wind. It *will* burn regular unleaded gas, but not recommended long-term because of the effect on the wick. If I am carrying a white gas stove on my bike because I foresee cold temperatures, this is the one I carry because it is indestructible -- people have reported dropping these things a thousand feet off a mountain and the thing still works.

Generic one-burner propane stove from Wal-Mart: Cheap. Bullet-proof -- one moving component (the fuel control knob). The canisters are very heavy and bulky but available everywhere in the USA and Canada, and will operate at quite low temperatures (propane's boiling point is -44F). Puts out a lot of heat, cooks well, has a nice big burner surface to put your pot on. Reality is that I carry this only when car-camping due to the bulk of the fuel canister, the stove is a bit bulky. Does not work really well in high winds because the integrated wind shield is not very effective, but puts out so much heat that it almost doesn't matter (other than the roar and the fuel consumption and make sure you stand on the opposite side of where the flame is being blown!).

Snow Peak Gigapower: Fairly bullet-proof -- one moving component (the fuel control knob), unless you buy the piezo model, which has two (the fuel control knob, and the peizo igniter knob). Reasonable price as long as you don't get the titanium one (which has no real benefit over the stainless model other than that it has that cool "titanian" on the box). The canisters are light and available pretty much everywhere in the USA. Very compact and small. Downside: The boiling point of the butane component of the isobutane fuel is 31F. I.e., does *not* work well in cold weather unless you keep the fuel canister in your sleeping bag with you when you sleep and rig up a heat reflector and insulator set up to keep it warm while cooking. This is the one I carry in warm weather conditions, I carry the Svea 123 in cold weather conditions.

[garandman]

Interesting comparison, a little out-of-date.
http://www.wilds.mb.ca/stovens.pdf

[Scouting]

MSR's are good stoves...I have the pocket rocket which works well. I have used on two different week long canoe trips, light, easy to pack. If you are into dehydrated foods, try www.nitro-pak.com, they have a good variety and I thought they were very reasonable.

[badtux]

MSR's are good stoves...

But there are better stoves than the Whisperlite. Heck, there are better *MSR* stoves than the Whisperlite. It's noisy, won't simmer, it's heavy, the pump is made out of plastic, *leather pump cup* that is always needing lube'ing, lots of little parts in the pump (o-rings and ball bearings and stuff) that have a bad habit of falling out while you're servicing that leather pump cup... The only good thing about the Whisperlite is that everybody has one, so if you're hiking with a group and your stoves break down, you can probably scrounge enough parts off of the broken stoves to get at least one stove working again :rolleyes:.

I had a Whisperlite. I sold it. Just too many better stoves out there...

[sturgeon]

But there are better stoves than the Whisperlite. Heck, there are better *MSR* stoves than the Whisperlite. It's noisy, won't simmer, it's heavy, the pump is made out of plastic, *leather pump cup* that is always needing lube'ing, lots of little parts in the pump (o-rings and ball bearings and stuff) that have a bad habit of falling out while you're servicing that leather pump cup... The only good thing about the Whisperlite is that everybody has one, so if you're hiking with a group and your stoves break down, you can probably scrounge enough parts off of the broken stoves to get at least one stove working again :rolleyes:.

I had a Whisperlite. I sold it. Just too many better stoves out there...

You must be talkin' about a different Whisperlite than mine. It's lighter than most everything else, very quiet, and in 15 years I think I've oiled the pump leather maybe 3 times. Nothing has ever fallen out during that 30 seconds of servicing.

[garandman]

Due to the wonders of eBay, I now have a Coleman Peak 1 400, Coleman Exponent 442, and an MSR Whisperlight Internationale to test out.

[Warhammer]

Well, after one campout with the Coleman 533, I think I'm going to spring for a Whisperlite International. The 533 worked great, but it takes up too much space in the saddlebags. Since I already have 2 MSR fuel bottles mounted on the top case, I might as well have a stove that works with them. I think I'll keep the 533 for car camping.

[elbrown]

Two weeks ago while joining MikeD and Stromin Nroman on a very "airish" campout, I dragged out my old (maybe 30 yrs) alcohol stove with it's nesting pots. Dump in the denatured alcohol (not the good whiskey), step back and let it rip. No moving parts, great hand warmer, boils stuff in a couple of minutes. It is only a half step up the evolutionary ladder from a sterno stove, (I've never figured out how to regulate it so it has two settings; full tilt and out of fuel, although it does have some parts that indicate such is possible) but simplicity has its strong points.

[oh2RideMore]

My MSR simmerlite had a fuel line clog, and the line cleaner would not pull out easily, when it did, it frayed. Had to order another, and have shipped to Jackson WY during the trip. Learned to cook off of fire again, with cookset. I love my MSR, just make sure you pull that line out occasionally to clean the line.

[Smellyhound]

Thread is a little dated, but what the hell. I backpack with a MSR Dragonfly. Either I carry, or one of my sons carries a pocket rocket with a couple canisters as back up. I've had issues with the butane when it's cold, so I don't use the Pocket rocket exclusively ever unless it's warm. I really like the Dragonfly, and having multi-fuel capability is pretty nice. Since this is my first year I wll be "moto-camping" I might have to change my opinion later though.
I have an old Swedish white gas stove made by "Borge" (sp?) my Dad used years ago. Cooks well, but the needle valve system, and lighting method have more than once almost lit the National forest on fire, along with me and my tent. I don't know how my old man used to light that thng without lighting us all on fire. Apparently there is a "technique" he took with him to the grave:angel_6:

[harlowstrom]

Look up the "Bush Buddy" Similar to the Zip-stove mentioned earlier but uses no battery. Very efficient and reasonably fast. Super light too and you never run out of free fuel. I have had perhaps 5 different stoves and love this one. My-2-cents

[chris swann]

white gas stoves are a pain , carrying the liquid , pumping the stove , cleaning the jets , the 70/30 % propane / butane canister stoves are the way to go

[badtux]

SVEA 123 is a durable white gas stove that is fairly compact for motorcycle use, and is much, much more durable than any other white gas stove in existence albeit a bit... quirky.

I use a Snow Peak GigaPower isobutane stove when it's not freezing outside, though, because as the previous person said, white gas stoves are just so fussy.

As for the Bush Buddy, I looked at it and it looked like a cool stove, but since nowhere I camp has any sort of tinder (I am a desert person mostly) or else wood fires are banned due to fire danger (this is California after all), it would be useless to me.

[batmo]

I have used the Jet-Boil for the last couple of years and it seems to suit my needs. Although when the menu calls for some "gourmet shit" I have my riding buds break out the multi-fuel stoves....then all I have to do is make coffee.

[uzidzit]

if you take any old can and pack it with dry dirt, and soak the dirt with un-leaded gas it will light and make a dandy improvised stove, a little sooty but it is safe and works well.

this is the ticket when the fancy stoves are dead,

personally I carry the penny stove, and love it.

I also have the very first coleman peak 1 stove from the early 80's and it still works beautifully.

[Between the Wheels]

JETBOIL....period.

[goinssr]

white gas stoves are a pain , carrying the liquid , pumping the stove , cleaning the jets , the 70/30 % propane / butane canister stoves are the way to go


I'm starting to think along the same lines here. I have a Brunton Talon. It was only $29 at Academy and it works damned well. Most all I ever do is boil water for coffee and oatmeal and this Brunton will do everything I ask it to do at a fraction of the cost of some of these discussed here. It will go from slow simmer to almost blowing the pan off of the stove. The pro/butane is clean and availible almost anywhere. A lot of discussion here about multi-fuel stoves, fuel bottles, etc. Realistically now....how many folks here will need multiple fuel bottles and the need to burn different fuels? Most of my trips are 1-3 days and never needed any more than two of the LITTLE cans of fuel.

[ruffred]

For me , can't go past a little camping gaz stove and canister - clean , easy , hot - does everything I want

[chris swann]

i have one . the gaz canisters are no longer availible here , thats why ive moved to the propane butane mix stove . the one i have came from the hardwear store as it is self lighting . the mountain climbing ones need a lighter or match . ive tryed most of the white gas stoves and simmering is crappy , they go to hot or go out

[garandman]

I also have the very first coleman peak 1 stove from the early 80's and it still works beautifully.
Ditto, flame control is much better than the newer models.

[Black Lab]

What stove and stove fuel?

a 35 year old Primus 8r with white gas. Original everything. Works fantastic.

[Denny Hess]

I've found the Coleman Dual -Fuel #442 to be the best stove . It fits inside my mess kit(wrapped in a wool sock in a ziplock). I carry a 30" coil of 3/8 clear aquarium tubing for filling from my gas tank. Also use the tubing to blow air into a slow starting campfire. All other small stoves have proven to be a hassle when it comes to fuel. I tank full will cook 6-8 meals easily Mine is 6 years , has been used hundreds of times and has not needed any repairs, though I plan to rebuild it soon.

[yamak]

after many liquid fuel stoves it's the jetboil for me. got tired of messing with liquid fuel; canisters are clean, easy,light,last a long time,and are readily available in the us. canisters come in standard and large size. if your need is to heat water for drinks and freeze dry or warm up food it works well. if your meals are more elaborate or you are traveling around the world or s.a i would use a multifuel, travelling strom should be an expert on that subject !!!

[ronin149]

I use an alcohol stove full of moonshine. That way I can scare my friends by taking swigs off my fuel bottle.

I'm not recommending it, as moonshine can be hard to find and everclear is expensive.

[FastEddie]

I have had experience with alcohol and kerosene stoves that I used when I was sailing. I discovered that wind is a huge factor in the efficiency of a stove. If you have a cross breeze with no protection, it can take forever to boil water. I bought a Primus Stove for my camping. It uses the butane canisters and features a stainless steel shroud to protect the flame from any breeze. When the stove is assembled for use, the shroud locks onto the base that houses the burner. There is a 1.6 liter SS bowl that fits down inside the shroud to take full advantage of the flame. I also fashioned a grill of sorts out of a cast iron trivet that supports a shallow non-stick aluminum fry pan so that I can make pancakes. The base of the stove nests inside the shroud for storage and the whole thing is 8" in diameter and 3 1/4" tall. I think it's a pretty good compromise for motorcycle camping.

Fast Eddie

PS I don't think this model is offered any longer, but I could post some pics if anyone is interested.

[ghostrider66]

Have any of you made a "Super Cat Stove"? Do they work well?

I saw a few videos on Youtube and thought I might give one a try.

http://jwbasecamp.com/Articles/SuperCat/index.html