Wow! He did it!

[WeThereYet]

Thanks Brendan. I wasn't sure that you would create this forum or not. Up til recently I wasn't convinced that it was necessary. I understand that the 650 forum was initially created when the bike was new and the Wee guys were the minority. But I think we all agree that has changed, and the Wee is outselling the big bike by a wide margin. The Wee forum appears to have the most traffic now. So that puts us in a minority position, and for the same reason, maybe it was time to try this. I was starting to notice that the site was becoming Wee-Centric. As much as the bikes share the same name and frame, they are truly a different animal, and it appears they are owned by a different type of rider. This is reflected in the type and nature of the posts being submitted. I am sure the Wee guys aren't all that interested in what we are discussing most of the time. It definitely got to the point that if we were going to keep the Wee forum, it made sense to start the other one. That, or eliminate them both.

And yes, you are right. As far as the "debate", it is getting really tiresome.

I hope this works and the V guys step up and take part. If we keep it real I'm sure it will be a complement to the overall Stromtrooper Site.

[Colin]

everything he said

Right on
I ride a Wee but a friend of mine rides a V. Since he is pretty much "internet challenged" I pass on information that is of specific interest to him and his DL1000.

[water warrior]

This is a good thing for all of us. We all like to feel a Wee bit special. lol.

[MightyShep]

Yahoo! Our own space. Wee's :D suck! lol JK!

[WeThereYet]

I gotta be honest with you, Mighty Shep. I just could not handle one more 650 rider gleefully telling us that " HIS WEE IS MORE FLICKABLE." Just so wrong on so many levels.

[MightyShep]

LOL.

[AlaskaTroy]

SWEET!

[water warrior]

WeThereYet...........Don't know which is more "flickable", don't really care either. Have never been on a Vee while it was moving either. Both bikes excel at a wide range of tasks. The Wee was my weapon of choice, and never even rode a Wee until I got mine.
Ya, I know we duel with words too often on occasion but mostly in good fun. The main thing to remember is we all ride and are Stromtroopers sharing our passion.

[WeThereYet]

Water Warrior, I agree totally. But me thinks you missed the point of that post, which of course was in good fun! :lol:

You live in an amazing area. Was through there early in the summer. Will definitely be back there next year.

[Vordak]

The Vee is the king! Of course, my yellow Vee is the best of them all!!! :twisted:

V.

[RockyMtnRoadRash]

"Wee's are more flickable!" - Wee Rider

"BIKE BIG GRUNT GRUNT EAT SMALL ANIMALS GO 80 HUNDRED BILLION MPH IN 3RD! VEE GOOD!" - Vee rider

I'm a grunter and eater of small animals, also I have a tendency to grin like an idiot when I whack the throttle and get to listen to MMMRRRRRRRRAAAARRRRRRRRWWWRRRRRR

[JohnS.]

Vee's Rule. Shifting sucks.

Oh, and a while ago a 650 rider posted indicated speeds at 6000 RPM in all gears. I want to say he got 80 in top gear at 6k. I tried it out, and at 115+, I almost got the tach to 6k.... So maybe I need tires more often, bah...

Been avoiding the debate for along time, but obviously, long enough...

[MightyShep]

Don't be too hard on the Wee's. I'm sure they are just as good as the Vee for what we do, and that's ride. I am envious of their gas mileage, but having had an underpowered bike before this one, I was loathe to go with less than the 1K. And I'm happy with my choice. I can imagine that the Wee's are more nimble, and better at the off road stuff, as opposed to the 1K, but I'm in Los Angeles, and all our wilderness is paved.

So let's try to make the DL1000 area about more than Wee bashing. Although it can be fun.... :)

[Vinny]

but I'm in Los Angeles, and all our wilderness is paved.

So let's try to make the DL1000 area about more than Wee bashing. Although it can be fun.... :)

+1 Same in Bakersfield, all paved desert.

[lthrnckpa]

:twisted: Looks like I joined the party at just the right time (for a change!).

Lovin' my V. And it was a Wee that convinced me to buy one. Big ol' boy here (6'2" and 350 or so), bu that little Wee hauled my butt down the I at over 95. I was impressed. But riding IronButts two-up with the better half required the Big V.

Haven't bothered lookin' back.

Only problem I have with my V is keepin' it under 70. :twisted:

[MightyShep]

:

Only problem I have with my V is keepin' it under 70. :twisted:

Tell me about it. Just paid a $200 fine for 20 over the limit. :evil:

[jomawan]

Yeah, I was headed for home this afternoon and took the freeway (a longer way to go, but quicker). Just moving with the flow I was, when a cop on a BMW screamed up next to me, gave me the 'slow it down sign' and blasted ahead with his tactical lights on. Pulled over somebody in a Mercedes. Jeeze Louise, I was going 80.
I'm crazy about my 1000. There's no replacement for displacement.

[tmcgee]

Questions for you Vguys:

What kind of gas mileage are you getting at 80mph or under?
Is ABS coming? Suzuki's website is mute on this.
And to those who've put mileage on both Vstroms - how would you characterize the difference in weight? Is it very noticeable?

Someone also characterized the wee and vee owner personality types as different. I'd like to hear more about that without it becoming a whizzing contest. A yahoogroups survey showed a high percentage of engineers as DL650 owners. Is the same true for DL1000 owners?

The reason for the questions: I've got 14,000 miles on my '05 DL650 and I'm considering the ABS version, but I'm also wondering if more power is gonna get me in trouble easier if I go to a DL1000. I like to cruise at 80-90mph when I can get away with it. I do lots of highway riding and driving.

[WeThereYet]

Against my better judgement, I'm going to throw my two bits in on this:

1) Mileage under 80 mph - 44-49 Miles per Imp Gallon.

2) ABS likely not coming on the Vee. Bike is probably doomed in 08.

3) Ridden them both. For my size and style of riding, the weight difference is a non factor.

4) Wee owners - Frugal and practical. Like shiny things.
Vee owners - Impractical, impulsive, like noisy things.

5) High percentage of Wee owners - engineers. Probably.
High percentage of V owners - engineers. Probably not. But who wants to hang out with a bunch of engineers.

Strom on!! :lol: :lol:

[MightyShep]

5) High percentage of Wee owners - engineers. Probably.
High percentage of V owners - engineers. Probably not. But who wants to hang out with a bunch of engineers.

Strom on!! :lol: :lol:

Hey, What do Wee Strom's and Fat Chicks have in common?
















Thet're both fun to ride till a friend see's you! :lol:

BTW I'm getting around 42mpg. Better on the Hwy, worse in the city. If you want MPG's stick with the Wee. If you don't mind dumping the fuel to go fast effortlessly, get the Vee. I just embarrassed a kid on a yamaha 600 on my way home form class. Silly kids....

[VtSTROM-K5]

+1 to JohnS :D
6000rpm = WHOAAAA on a VEE :shock:
and ohhhh on a WEE !!!! :roll:
IMHO :lol: :lol:

[MightyShep]

+1 to JohnS :D
6000rpm = WHOAAAA on a VEE :shock:
and ohhhh on a WEE !!!! :roll:
IMHO :lol: :lol:

Engineers don't want to go fast, unless they have done the math first. :?

[Chris]

I like both.

I have ridden the 1000 extensively, but I own a 650. My buddy has the 1000.
Although there are a lot of similarities, the differences are what make the 650 a more user friendly mount.

First word... smoooooth. the bike feels like it's electric.
The 1000 feels like a cement mixer full of rocks.

The 650 is perfect out of the box.
Seems like the 1000 needs a lot of fiddling around with to make the owner happy.

The 40 pounds of fat on the 1000 makes it feel bloated. Even though you have more CC's it really doesn't help
the leaner 650 feels nimble.

The seat on the 650 sucks
the seat on the 1000 is a little better.

Off the line the 1000 will deliver your belly button to the rear of your spine. It pulls like a bulldozer on speed. It is an OX. you feel it in you gut.

Off the line the 650 feels like a pretty little school girl skipping to a tea party :shock: Tra la la la la.
For me, if I wanted speed I'd be on a sport bike.
If I stay below the triple digits thats fine for me

Both are good, it's really up to you. I am happy I got the 650.

[WeThereYet]

That's it, that's it, that's what I've been missing. I always wanted a bike that feels like a school girl skipping to a tea party! LaLaLa!!! Jeeezuz! :oops:

On second thought, I think I'll keep my neurotic, bloated, non-nimble, comfy, cement mixer full of rocks. Your buddy's 1000 must be a POS, cos it sure doesn't sound like mine, or any other 1000's that I know of!

[MightyShep]

I thought this was the one place 1K owners could go without hearing how great the Wee is. I am sooooo sick of these f@#$ing Wee-nies talking about how great the little thing is. Go do it in the 650 specific area, and get out of our forum. I don't go trolling trying to provoke this tired old debate, and I take offense at Chris' attack in our own forum.

If you like your 650 then that's great. Quit pissing on my, and other 1K owners' choice. If you ride a 650 stay out of the DL1000 specific area.

[Big B]

I do agree that the 650 engine is "electric smooth". However....my 1000 is anything but rough running and noisy. I agree that the 1000's need to be properly tweaked to get the most from them. I think that allot of people don't take the time to tune them in, and just live with how they are running. It is a shame, cause the 1000 has allot to offer, and it is a VERY dependable and fun motorcycle.

[lthrnckpa]

OK, my 2¢ worth here.

My other bike, and my last three bikes, have all been big, fat, Harley touring bikes. Anybody who claims the Big V is not smooth, is slow, is not nimble, or is top heavy has obviously NOT been where I just came from. This thing is fast, flickable, smooth, and most importantly, FUN!!

And it was a Wee that got me hooked on this bike in the first place. It ran down the interstate like a raped ape, but it buzzed into my hands like nest of hornets. I don't get any of that on the V. Of course, that was at about 85-90 mph indicated.

I'm 6' 2" and about 350. I made that little 6fiddy work. I bought the V because every day I ride is like riding 2up. And if you throw my "little" woman on there we "approach" the weight limit. And yet, in a moment of semi-deliberate stupidity it hauled us up to 120 before she started beating the back of my helmet. (Rather distracting, that.)

All this STUPID debate over which is best reminds me of a bunch of pre-schoolers (DID TOO, did not, DID TOO, did not, ad nauseum). If you don't like my Big V, go play in your own sandbox. Ride what you like, have fun doing it, and celebrate the differences. As far as I'm concerned, it's enough that we choose to be on two wheels instead of four. :twisted:

[MightyShep]

OK, my 2¢ worth here.

My other bike, and my last three bikes, have all been big, fat, Harley touring bikes. Anybody who claims the Big V is not smooth, is slow, is not nimble, or is top heavy has obviously NOT been where I just came from. This thing is fast, flickable, smooth, and most importantly, FUN!!

And it was a Wee that got me hooked on this bike in the first place. It ran down the interstate like a raped ape, but it buzzed into my hands like nest of hornets. I don't get any of that on the V. Of course, that was at about 85-90 mph indicated.

I'm 6' 2" and about 350. I made that little 6fiddy work. I bought the V because every day I ride is like riding 2up. And if you throw my "little" woman on there we "approach" the weight limit. And yet, in a moment of semi-deliberate stupidity it hauled us up to 120 before she started beating the back of my helmet. (Rather distracting, that.)

All this STUPID debate over which is best reminds me of a bunch of pre-schoolers (DID TOO, did not, DID TOO, did not, ad nauseum). If you don't like my Big V, go play in your own sandbox. Ride what you like, have fun doing it, and celebrate the differences. As far as I'm concerned, it's enough that we choose to be on two wheels instead of four. :twisted:

Here Here! I am sooo sick of this debate, and now it's moved into the 1K specific area. WTF! I am normally interested in keeping things peaceful, but this is getting on my last nerve. All you Wee-nies just STFU. I don't believe there has been one of these threads started by a 1K rider, it's always the Wee-nies and their Napoleanic complex. Enough already.

[Mortaine]

Short money, short temper, short man syndrome,what ever, those that can DO, those that can't buy a tiddler and then imply those that can are stupid. There is no good reason to continue to beat this dead horse as it falls on deaf ears, the tiddler riders will tell you how well they did against what ever bigger bike, but what they fail to realize is while they are riding their collective butts off to keep up, the big bike rider is having a good time while out for a sunday cruise. Rider talent being equal the big bike will be first to the bar EVERYTIME end of argument. I have read numerious comments on this forum about how the tiddler bike does this or that for me, but I think in reality they are trying to make excuses for the fact that the tiddler bike is all they could afford. Some of you even condemn the BMW maybe because you cannot afford it, I bought one cheap figuring to turn a buck heck its so nice I think I will keep it. This should light up the tiddlers :lol: :lol: :lol: 8)

[Chris]

Oh Geez

must have hit a raw nerve

http://www.boxhill.co.uk/forum/phpBB2/images/smiles/rotf.gif

Good Luck with the 1000

[Big B]

I don't feel that this thread has gotten out of hand....maybe a "WEE" bit off topic!!! :lol: I'll let it continue for a little while longer, so as the pissing doesn't get out of hand. :wink:

This is "OUR" 1000 section....but we will get the occasional 650 owner, that may try to start some poo. Some 1000 owners post rather ugly in other sections too....this is going to happen unfortunatley.

But....I won't let it go on for long in this section. Yes we are very happy that we have our own section! 8) I assure you, that I will weed out the bad and useless banter. Some is good "within reason".


Sound good???

[WeThereYet]

OK Big B. :oops: :oops: :oops:

But they started it! And whattaya mean we post ugly?

I can't speak for the others, but the whole thing is just becoming a bit much. Whichever model we all got, we all had our reasons for choosing the ones we did. We all laid out pretty good money, and we all want to be happy with our investment. Now admittedly, my buttons are easily pushed. But I log on now only to have to sit through a barrage of "Glad I didn't get the 1000", Who needs the 1000, The Wee is all you need, The Wee will do it all and still make you breakfat in the morning, blah, blah, blah!!! As a member of what is supposed to be a community, why do I find myself feeling on the defensive when I am logged onto the forum. I enjoy my bike, have no issues with it. I am OK with what I paid for it and how it performs. I would buy another one in a heartbeat.

I like the Wee, although I hate that stupid name. I may have one someday. But this go round, I preferred the look, sound, performance and feel of the V. And if it is still available, I would probably do it again. Now as I get older, more practical, responsible and frugal, I may switch.

Although I have posted about the ridiculous of the "debate", and I use that term loosely, I have never atttacked the 650, or any of their owners. (Well except once when I had a go at Julian). I respect their choice in bikes, and their reasons. They are happy with their rides. They love to tell each other about what they already know.

But we litre bike owners don't start flame posts about the 650. We ride 'em and we post about them. We talk about our rides, issues, mods and any other issues that we feel may be of interest to the forum at large. We generally leave it at that. It particularly frustrating to read about all the "issues" we have with our bikes, usually posted by people that don't own them. There are a few posters who are qualified to make comparisons, but to hear people who have never owned or ridden this bike pontificate about the surge, remaps, Yosh box, chudder, extra 40 lbs, it gets kind of stale. It just seems that we are responding more and more, and snapping back at the nonsense we are seeing.

In my perfect world, there would be no separate 650 / 1000 only areas. But since it was created, I thought that the 1000 area may give a bit of refuge. I enjoy communicating with others that have the same bike as I do, who share the same experiences, and perhaps have the same mind set as to what they want from their bikes. It is something that we should be able to pull off as a forum at large. It just doesn't eem to be going that way. Now I rarely go to the 650 area unless I see a topic of interest. It seems that some others don't see it that way.

[MightyShep]

I don't feel that this thread has gotten out of hand....maybe a "WEE" bit off topic!!! :lol:

That's funny! :lol:

[Big B]

OK Big B. :oops: :oops: :oops:

But they started it! And whattaya mean we post ugly?



In my perfect world, there would be no separate 650 / 1000 only areas. But since it was created, I thought that the 1000 area may give a bit of refuge. I enjoy communicating with others that have the same bike as I do, who share the same experiences, and perhaps have the same mind set as to what they want from their bikes. It is something that we should be able to pull off as a forum at large. It just doesn't eem to be going that way. Now I rarely go to the 650 area unless I see a topic of interest. It seems that some others don't see it that way.



As a whole the 1000 owners are very polite and professional in how they "we" post. I have seen the majority of "flames" start from the Wee vs Vee debates, and the 1000 owners are VERY quick to defend their ground. Heck....I am also guilty of it!! :wink: But I am not going to stoop to anyones level, and debate something that is not worth it anymore. THEY ARE BOTH GREAT BIKES........and that is the truth.

I assure you.......I will monitor any "rogue" 650 owners coming over to our section, and posting worthless and useless garbage. Allot of it has been started in good fun, but quickly gets out of hand by those who are sick and tired of it!

Later,

Brian

[WeThereYet]

Hey Big B,

Was just kidding on the "But they started it" opening to my last post. But as I started the post it soon evolved into one of my bleary eyed early morning rants. It is a touchy subject to me. I just have to develop the smarts to lay off of it. You're right. T'aint worth it!

You shouldn't have to patrol the forum for flame and troll posts. It should be up to us as a user group to look after ourselves.

[Big B]

Hey Big B,

Was just kidding on the "But they started it" opening to my last post. But as I started the post it soon evolved into one of my bleary eyed early morning rants. It is a touchy subject to me. I just have to develop the smarts to lay off of it. You're right. T'aint worth it!

You shouldn't have to patrol the forum for flame and troll posts. It should be up to us as a user group to look after ourselves.

I have no DOUBT.....that you all will put people in their proper place! :lol: I'll just be the referee, when people throw fouls!! :wink:

[et3dotcom]

While I have not yet ridden the Vee, I have owned and extensively ridden dozens of bikes ranging from 100cc to 1800cc. You see I am a power addict, the bigger bike is never enough to satisfy the compulsion to use the bike to it’s limits. After several sport bikes in the 750-1000 class, I went cold turkey from the power (and $) escalation and got my self a GN125 – I was able to ride the 1/8 liter machine to it’s limit all the time AND afford to do so, and keep my license too.

After a few years of the 125 discipline, I fell off the wagon by getting a good hand full of
FJR1300 --- just a blast down the road few miles–– over 120 indicated in just 3rd -- ooooo that felt NICE!!!! -- OOOOOOO can I please try that GSXR1300 – OH that zx14 yea that’s it !!!! ……….. SNAP Back to -MY- reality – I purchased a 2007 DL 650, it does most of what I want, and I’m happy with my decision to afford it.

Mortaine,
You are correct, it is not my priority to afford:
The extra $ for the initial price of the Vee
The extra $ to operate the Vee
The extra $ to maintain the Vee,
The extra risk of the Vee, etc.
I chose to afford the Wee,
AND I do not begrudge those few of you who afford the extras the Vee offers – more power to you.

[WeThereYet]

Thanks for that. I know I'll sleep better tonight knowing you obviously made the right decision. Perhaps this should be over on the 650 board.

[Big B]

He is just giving his perspective....nothing wrong with that! I too am a power junky, and I felt that the 650 was plenty peppy as well.

[WeThereYet]

You're right Big B, nothing wrong with that. I'll sit in the corner for awhile.

[water warrior]

This all started this time with a post by Chris. It was his opinion of a Vee that he is familiar with. I wonder if that particular bike is as good as it could be or is in need of some TLC. Although I have never ridden a Vee I have my doubts that they all act like a cement mixer or worse. Maybe Chris should demo another bike in the Vee category.