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MonkeyGrass
05-01-2006, 11:27 AM
Ok guys, after posting some teasers in another post, I finally have the time (and now the miles under my belt with the mod in place) to post a detailed "how-to" eliminate buffeting and turbulence on a 02-03 Dl1k. This will probably work on the newer 'Stroms, I think I've even seen someone do something similar to the 04+ windshields. Since the bikes are otherwise identical, I think it would be easy enough to modify this for those newer models.

Anyways, I had no idea this was going to work out so well, so I didn't take pictures during the process. It was kind of one of those spur-of-the-moment inspirations. :( Oh well.. as you will see, I kept all the pieces and it's pretty darn easy to see what I did, so no big loss, really.

Now what started all this, was the fact that I came from naked bikes (standards and cruisers) and while I like the whole "faired" thing more or less, I am 5'9" and even though that is supposedly in the no-so-bad buffeting range according to most riders, I got a LOT of noise and some pretty disturbing turbulence at hiways speeds. My 02 1k came with both the stock screen, and an aftermarket 21" Givi Tall Touring shield. Neither one did the job well, and after reading the reports of nearly everyone with an 04+ model Stom running their shields (stock and aftermarket) in the lowest position, it became pretty obvious to me that taller was not the way to go. Also, my focus was not to eliminate air flow (if this is what you are hoping to do, you can stop reading now :P). I do live in the South, and it tends to get a *bit* warm down here, don'tcha know! If I rid myself of all airflow, I lose all the benefits of my helmet vents and mesh jacket, and end up roasting. So the goal was to get *CLEAN AIR* flowing to my head. With the stock shield, the airflow was always hitting me right in the eyes/forehead. Not enough to stabilize my helmet or get any air in my chin-vent.

So, one day last week, I got the idea to just REMOVE the windscreen. Ironically, the same day, someone else had the same idea and started a thread about it! I rode across town to work with it like that, and immediately fell in love. I could tell before I was even out of my cul-de-sac, that this was a major improvement. Clean air at last!!! What a difference. Now, it *felt* great, but didn't look so hot, IMO. I also had no "bubble" to duck under at +100 MPH speeds, and I really do like to have that added protection. So I had an idea. Why not cut down the stock shield, to retain the same level of air flow (more or less) and keep a pretty clean look to the front of the bike? As a matter of fact, I felt I could not only cut down the shield to lower the airstream, but keep a bubble of protection that I could get down under at those triple digit speeds when I lay on the tank. So, long preamble out of the way, this is what I did, and how I did it:

Tools/Materials required:

Dremel or similar rotary tool
A couple cutting wheels (they don't have to be heavy duty)
A medium sanding bit
A tape measure
Utilty knife
Some masking tape (I prefer the blue "painters" tape")
A black sharpie
1 can of flat black spray paint ($1.99 @ AutoZone)
I package of black Door Edge Moulding ($2.99 @ AutoZone)

http://www.danlawlor.com/images/strom/Materials.jpg

That's all. This whole mod cost me $5. I found the paint and door moulding at AZ, you can find the same at Pep Bos, AAP, etc.. these are very common items, and shouldn't cost you more than $5-6. That's all I had to spend since I already have a dremel. If you don't have a dremel (and I would certainly ask "Why the heck don't you have one!?"), you can get one for about $30 at Home Depot or Lowe's. Shame on you for not owning the single most useful tool on the planet!! :P

Now for the step by step!!

Step 1: Mark your cut.

Make a mark 3" down from the top dead center of your shield. I did this with it on the bike. Mark the spot in two more places on the same flat portion of the screen, then take your masking tape and run it straight across the screen all the way to the edges, don't try and curve it. We'll address that later! Make sure it's straight, measure your end points on both sides of the screen edges to make sure. Here is what the piece looks like after you cut it off. I put the tape on the lower section, in order to protect the part of the screen I'm keeping. Remove the screen from the bike. Here's what the piece you cut off will look like

http://www.danlawlor.com/images/strom/cut1.jpg

Step 2: Make your first cut.

Now when making the cut, go slow, don't press to hard. I kept the dremel on high, and you are basically cutting and melting at the same time. I actually lightly scored the cut first all the way across, then went back and cut all the way thru. The tape will give you a nice clean edge to work off of, as well as protecting the lower part of the screen from abrasion or slips. Take your time, you do want this cut to be clean and straight. If you drank too much coffee (or beer) and you don't get a clean cut, you get to sand quite a bit more. Lucky you!

Step 3: Second cut.

I wish I had a shot of the screen at this point, but I don't. I didn't think this would work out the way it did, or I would have taken more pics! But basically, you are holding a screen that's 3" shorter than stock, without the dogears cut off the corners. Looks kinda crappy, with melted edges and it's not that smooth. It's fine. We're going to fix that now! Now take your marker, and make two small marks on each corner of the shield. One will be 1/4" up from where the black fairing ends, on the very edge of the screen. The other one will be right at the point that the screen bends. You are basically recreating the stock "dog-earred" look, so use your own judgement. Just make sure they are exactly the same on both sides. These are important, so take your time and line them up nice and even on both sides. Use the tape to mask your line off, then carefully make your cuts. Here are a couple pics with the measurements of those cuts.

http://www.danlawlor.com/images/strom/cut2.jpg

http://www.danlawlor.com/images/strom/cut3.jpg

Step 4: Sand!

Ok, so now you are holding a shield that looks a LOT like the stock one, only about 3" shorter all the way around. Now it's time to switch out the bit on the dremel, put on your sanding bit, turn the rotary speed down to medium, and very lightly start sanding your cut smooth. Most of the melted stringy plastic bits will just pull right off. I say take it easy on the sanding, because if you push too hard, you will melt the plastic and that's not good. The screen material is really very soft and it's easy to put more curves in it when sanding!! So take it easy, and slowly but surely round off your edges and make things nice and smooth. It's not critical, but depending on how you want to finish the mod, you can go to hand sandpaper if you really want it glass-like smooth. I ended up finishing with the black rubber door moulding, so I just wanted it straight. Smooth was not important, since I'm covering the whole cut edge with rubber trim anyway. If you decide not to use the edging, sand it nice and smooth, rounding off the edges a bit, it will look really cool if you want to stay clean without the trim!

Step 5: Test shield height.

So, now you have a nice, smooth edge, on your cut down shield. At this point, I would take a quick ride and see the difference! I personally like this height b/c the windflow hits me right at my chin, and still gives me enough bubble of protection to duck under at high speeds to get out of the wind completely.

Step 6: Paint.

If you are satisfied with what you have, get some windex, clean the screen really good on the inside, and turn it upside down on some cardboard. If you are shorter than 5'9", or want more wind on your chest, try reducing your screen by another 1/2" or so and repeat the first few steps. Some of you may want to cut it more or less flush with the fairing. That's up to you! Grab yer rattlecan and spray the backside of the screen with flat black spray paint! Of course, this is totally optional - you can skip this step if you want to stay clear. I left the stock Suzuki sticker and gradient fade on the underside of the shield. Looks awesome! So - spray it with 2-3 coats, being careful not to overspray onto the front side. Let it sit for 30 minutes to set up.

Step 7: Edge Trim.

Go put the screen back on the bike. SWEET! Looks good, doesn't it? I let mine cure for about 24 hrs to make sure the paint was totally set up. The next day, I grabbed my Automotive Door Edge Trim, and started on the left hand side. The kind I bought has adhesive glue already run on the inside of the channel. I just slowly worked it tight onto my cut edge, and once I got it positioned where I wanted it, I used a utility knife to make a clean cut on the other edge. Push it down and seat it real good, and you are done!!

Here are the finished shots:

http://www.danlawlor.com/images/strom/Front1.jpg

http://www.danlawlor.com/images/strom/Front2.jpg

http://www.danlawlor.com/images/strom/Dash.jpg

http://www.danlawlor.com/images/strom/SideTrim.jpg

Now, you can all make up your own minds about the difference in ride quality, but it's astonishing to me. A simple $5, 45 minute fix has eliminated the #1 rider complaint for me and 3 other friends that have ridden it since. It's a wonder to me that Suzuki doesn't offer a "Sport Shield" option. :roll:

Quite simply - THERE IS NO MORE BUFFETING! Just a nice clean air stream to the helmet. It's so much quieter, I can't believe it's the same bike. I had 3 of my 6' + buddies take it for a spin so I could let you guys know what their thoughts were. I am 5'9" and it's awesome for me, but I know that the taller riders are the ones who have really bad issues. Well, I think this is going to make you tall guys happy as a clam. My brother in law who is 6' even (rides a naked SV650) said "it's like a totally diffferent bike. I could ride it all day - there is no buffeting at all!" My other riding buddy who is 6'2" and has a Bandit 1200S was kinda pissed he said "Dude, you ruined me. I never noticed any buffeting or wind noise on my Bandit before I rode yours like this. Now your Strom is way smoother than my Bandit - I'd ride it all day!" SMOOTHER AND QUIETER THAN A BANDIT!! And that's coming *from* the guy who owns (and loves) a Bandit 1200S! He's also got a nice Zero Gravity aftermarket screen on that Bandit, that's he's been very happy with (until now, hehehe) Now, both of these guys had ridden my bike before the screen cut-job, and both swore they hated the buffeting and turbulence, it was so bad for them they honestly did not like trading bikes with me at all while out riding, and if I did convince one of them to trade up with me (I like riding different bikes!) it would last about 20 minutes before they would pull off and say "I can't take the buffeting anymore - give me my bike back!"

The other thing that I found out while doing this... I had somewhat noticed before, but it really makes a difference what helmet you are using. I have a few different ones, but my main helmets are a rather inexpensive HCI convertible helmet, and a Shoei RF series. I usually use the HCI around town, because I can sling it on and off easier when running errands. But the difference on the highway or longer trips is unreal. The HCI has more "creases" and whatnot b/c it's a flip-up convertible helmet. It was the worst offender when it came to wind roar. I always use the Shoei for longer trips. Nothing but a nice "ssssssssssssssssss" wind sound. I was even considering riding with plugs before this mod. It wasn't even the buffeting that drove me nuts, it was the damn rumbling, roaring wind noise that really bothered me. Gone. Totally, completely gone.

I'm willing to bet that most of you guys have your stock shields sitting in the garage or shed collecting dust. Give this a shot!! I still have my Givi Tall shield for long distance trips, and winter riding, but I don't know if I'll ever use it again. Maybe if I want to ride in the dead of winter and get some protection. I dunno. What I do know is that I've taken my cut-down screen on the highway, side streets, up to 120 mph (leaned on the tank), and around town. Obviously, this is a motorcycle, there is going to be wind and if you are on a crowded interstate, there is going to be some buffeting. No windsield is going to eliminate a truck's blow-by. But this seems to get rid of the near death-wobble when that happens, and when you are on an open road without traffic, it's a pure pleasure to ride. No earplugs required!! :D Plus, I think it looks flat sick on the bike. Much racier than stock, it looks a lot sportier and more streamlined. I have to keep my top rack on to use the bike a viable commuter, but whenever I get to go for a "fun-ride" I pull it off and the bike looks really sleek and stealthy.

If you guys have any question or anything is not clear enough, please let me know. I'm just glad to have a little something to give back to this amazing community of riders who have helped me get my BigStrom into tip-top running shape!!!

peace,

mG

MIstrom
05-01-2006, 12:44 PM
Thank you for that write up! You may have just saved me some coin! I will be trying that out this week for sure, I almost just purchased a new windscreen to, luckily I got out bid on it.

RECON
05-01-2006, 12:57 PM
Thanks for the idea! I had read about it somewhere and think I may do the same with my '04. Just ordered a GIVI but think I'll cut the stock down and try it out. I also came from cruisers and not used to this wind buffeting.

I like the black paint idea, looks awesome!!!

water warrior
05-01-2006, 01:24 PM
MonkeyGrass

Well done and well written. The blacked out shield is good looking and changes the lines of the fairing nicely. I do think I will have to remove my shield for a ride or two and experience clean air. Also have an issue with noise. Thanks for the write up. Ride On.

ChrisW123
05-01-2006, 02:05 PM
Cool Monkeygrass, thanks for the writeup and pictures! I'm going to definteley do this to my stock screen this week I think. But I'll ride a couple more times with my tall screen and mesh jacket just so I have a better comparison later when I switch over to the cut screen.

Not sure if I'll paint mine black however. It looks good that way but I'm thinking in a tuck I'd want to look through it a little.

Good job!

MonkeyGrass
05-01-2006, 02:22 PM
Thanks for the kind words guys! This really wasn't hard to do at all. I think it took me the same amount of time to write it up here as it actually took to *do* the mod itself. ;) Very easy 1 hr job.

Not sure if I'll paint mine black however. It looks good that way but I'm thinking in a tuck I'd want to look through it a little.

Good job!

I thought about the same thing.. that's why I suggested taking it for a test ride before final trim/paint. I found that the 2" of what was left of the screen wasn't useful at all while in a tank crouch. It's actually below eye level when I lay on my tank. If I tried to look thru what was left of the screen, I was essentially taking my eyes dangerously off the road. When I'm in that crouch, it means I'm blasting my way past 100 mph, and at that speed, I'm really not too concerned with whatever is 4 feet in front of the bike. I'm looking 100 feet down the road. But, that's me... I don't lay on the tank until I'm in triple digits. If you lay down there regularly, then you might want to keep it clear. I think it would look great either way, but you'll want to spend a little more time hand-sanding and polishing your cut edge to make it as clear and clean as possible. You also need to be real careful with the dremel, one slip with either the cut wheel or the sanding bit and you have a nasty looking scratch down your screen... Go ahead, ask me how I know this! :x One stupid slip when I was 99% finished... Didn't bother me though, cuz I knew I wanted to go black.

Please, post back and let me know how your versions end up! I hope you find the same level of comfort and quiet that I now enjoy. It made my rides this weekend much more relaxing and less fatiguing.

mokusbajusz
05-01-2006, 05:10 PM
That is a really nice mod and a great report on it!
Congrats and thanks although I cannot really benefit as I own a K6 DL 650. I wonder if there is such a mod for the wee also?
Your 1k looks really hot!

HiSPL
05-01-2006, 05:24 PM
Could you post a pic of the whole bike from a few feet back? Maybe a front quarter shot? Thanks!

ChrisW123
05-01-2006, 06:01 PM
That is a really nice mod and a great report on it!
Congrats and thanks although I cannot really benefit as I own a K6 DL 650. I wonder if there is such a mod for the wee also?
Your 1k looks really hot!

Moku, you can do this mod... I think the 650 Wee has the same windshield.

ChrisW123
05-01-2006, 06:05 PM
Hey Monkey,

I'm thinking that sanding the inside of the windscreen would make the paint stick better.

Also, are you happy with the way the flat black looks or if you could switch to semi-gloss instead, would you?

mokusbajusz
05-01-2006, 07:33 PM
Moku, you can do this mod... I think the 650 Wee has the same windshield.

No, the 2006 model has the adjustable one. Before I destroy mine I would be open to others experience.

Heavy
05-01-2006, 09:34 PM
Hey Monkey,

I'm thinking that sanding the inside of the windscreen would make the paint stick better.

Also, are you happy with the way the flat black looks or if you could switch to semi-gloss instead, would you?

No need to sand the inside. Buy the new Krylon paint for plastic. I did the inside of the shield on my last bike. It looked great and stuck very well. All I did was give it a wash with warm water and some dish detergent, dry it and then spray. I did mask around the edges so I didn't get any overspray on the front side.

http://www.krylon.com/main/inspiration_template.cfm?levelid=3&inspirationid=51&content=inspiration_details

MonkeyGrass
05-01-2006, 10:42 PM
Could you post a pic of the whole bike from a few feet back? Maybe a front quarter shot? Thanks!

Sure, I'll fire off a couple shots in the morning... I have to wait on the cable guy tomorrow morning anyways - the old sometime between 8 am and 12:00 routine :roll:

Moku, there is a guy who did this to the newer style screen.. I'll see if can find that link somewhere. All the cuts are different, but he basically got the same results by making a small plate out of his stocker and using the stock mount points.

edit: here is that link - http://11109.rapidforum.com/topic=109978909786

actually, I think he started with a new piece of plastic, but it seems to me you could probably use that as a guide to shave down your stocker - then paint it black.

it's what gave me the inspiration to do mine, actually... I saw that a couple months ago and thought "hmmm... when it gets warm..."

ChrisW123
05-01-2006, 10:50 PM
Moku, you can do this mod... I think the 650 Wee has the same windshield.

No, the 2006 model has the adjustable one. Before I destroy mine I would be open to others experience.

I noticed that... Monkey's pics show a different windshield from mine too, being an '06 like yours. For me, I have nothing to lose by doing it because I have a tall shield that I would use otherwise. And even if I didn't I think I would do it because before buying the replacement shield, I tried all settings with the stocker and none of them helped wind buffeting so in my opinion the stock shield is worse then have nothing at all.

If you're gonna stick with the stocker for now, then yes I'd wait also to get a better feel of how much is the right amount to cut off first. Or cut off just two inches maybe, try and see if that works for you. If not cut off another inch, etc., until it's good. Then finish off the edge with sanding, etc.

mokusbajusz
05-02-2006, 12:39 PM
Thank you guys for the advices. I am still in the testing phase with the shield setting it up and down, but to be honest I do not really hope to succeed. I did not removed it completely yet, so that will be the next step.
On my prevoius bikes I have never had such a shield, and I was suspenseful with the screen on the DL, expecting maybe too much from it. And now I am quite disappointed. I am really interested if these criticisms get to Suzuki and they listen to them? It cannot be too challengeing them to reshape it and solving this screen issue would lead them to have one of the best bike ever as there are no other big problems.

buus
05-02-2006, 01:01 PM
Someone at the dealer I bought my strom from drilled a 1 inch hole in his stock shield and he said it eliminated the buffeting. Has anyone else tried this?

MonkeyGrass
05-08-2006, 03:34 PM
Ok guys, here are the pics I promised last week... I ended up going out of town for the weekend (another 400 miles on the BRP) so I'm just now getting around to posting them. Enjoy!

Some shots at home:

Frontal Shots

http://www.danlawlor.com/images/strom/full_front1.jpg

http://www.danlawlor.com/images/strom/full_front2.jpg

Side Shots

http://www.danlawlor.com/images/strom/side_full1.jpg

http://www.danlawlor.com/images/strom/side_front.jpg

Sitting in the saddle, looking over the shield (into my messy garage!)

http://www.danlawlor.com/images/strom/saddle_shot.jpg

Loaded to go on a 3 day trip thru SC and the BRP

http://www.danlawlor.com/images/strom/fully_loaded.jpg

First thing in the morning, eating breakfast on the Parkway

http://www.danlawlor.com/images/strom/BRP1.jpg

http://www.danlawlor.com/images/strom/BRP2.jpg

All I can say, after another 450 mile trip with this shield is - YESSSSSSSS!

There is some buffeting on interstates when it's congested. Similar to a naked bike, really. Everywhere else - nothing. Just clean, smooth air. Those 3 hrs on the parkway were amazing, not just b/c of the road surface, scenery, etc... but for the first time, I didn't think about the wind, screen, buffeting, or anything besides "look, lean, roll throttle YEEEEHAAAWWWW" for the entire trip.

I want to go back.

Right now.

water warrior
05-08-2006, 08:22 PM
Quick, somebody try this on an 05 Wee. If it works, how do you do it without tools ? I have a shortage of cutting tools here. Any suggestions will be welcome. Mod On.

greywolf
05-08-2006, 08:26 PM
I think I'd just try an MP shorty rather than cut up a stocker.

Heavy
05-09-2006, 08:15 AM
I have a shortage of cutting tools here.

Get out your sharpest bread knife and start hacking. Just make sure you have lots of sandpaper (oh, and some bandaids might not be a bad idea too). :lol:

FWIW I have a replacement stock shield coming for mine. I'm going to do some hacking, er, trimming, to see how I works with the shield shortened a couple of inches. I already have a can of black Krylon spray paint for plastic so we'll see how it turns out.

MonkeyGrass
05-09-2006, 09:56 AM
I think I'd just try an MP shorty rather than cut up a stocker.

Your call... I felt like I had nothing to lose, and after reading multiple reports of people spending hundreds of dollars on aftermarket screens and STILL not getting rid of the buffeting, it was a no-brainer for me... $5 for a small risk of failure, and $20 for a stock replacement of eBay if it didn't work out - vs $150+ for an aftermarket shield.

There are not nearly as many options for pre-04 Stroms, especially in a "shorty" shield. If you have a 650 or newer 1k, that "mini-screen" that I linked to earlier looks like the ticket. But it's $90. :lol: Mine is $5 and does the same thing!!

MonkeyGrass
05-09-2006, 10:01 AM
Quick, somebody try this on an 05 Wee. If it works, how do you do it without tools ? I have a shortage of cutting tools here. Any suggestions will be welcome. Mod On.

Hmmm... The dremel/rotary tool is what makes this whole thing so easy. Less sanding, more melting (instead of hacking) on the main cuts. I would highly recommend a Dremel or Black & Decker RTX rotary tool. I think mine was $29, and it's paid for itself more times than I can count!

Whether it's an 02-03, or 04+ I think the basic concept is going to remain the same - Cut that sucker flush as possible with the top of the console/dash fairing area. All you are trying to do is get the shield low enough that it hits you in the neck/shoulders with the air blast, instead of right in the eyes/forehead, which IMO is what causes the buffeting.

Please post back some pics, I'd love to see someone work out the logistics of this on an 04+ screen!

water warrior
05-09-2006, 09:25 PM
Removed the windshield today and went for a short ride. Can't say that I liked it a lot. The wind was gusting and that almost lead to disaster. I was checking to my right and as I turned my head a gust hit me and turned my head half off my shoulders. Put the wind shield back on. Gonna try half inch spacers under the lower end of the shield. Mod On.

2VORNOT2V
05-09-2006, 09:39 PM
Excelant Job I must say.

I tried this on my 03 and it was better but still not completely gone.
I might not have cut enough, or the fact that I'm 6'2" might also have something to do with it. I did this on my TDM 850 (which I sold for the Vstrom) and it worked perfect.

I'v had 2 vstroms, an 02 when they 1st came out which I sold after the 1st season and than 03 last year which I also sold within 4 months.
I have a love/hate relationship with this bike, love the motor and the concept but hate the bars, seat and wind buffeting. I also had tha knock on the 03. Didn't warry about failure but it just erritated the crap out of me. I had intentions of modifying and trying to solve all these things but because of the knock didn't.

I'm again conteplating on buying an 06, biting the bullet and making these mods, which are; Ohlins shock, revalved and resprung front forks, 17" front wheel with better brakes, fork brace, exhaust system, K&N filter, PCIII and dyno tuning, different bars ?? and no rubber mounting, Sargent or Corbin seat and what ever I can do with the windscreen re buffeting isue, but before I do I will try all other similar bikes for comparrison.

I'v already ridden a Buel Ulyses and have scheduled test rides for 1200GS, KTM 950, Multistrada 1000ds and 06 Vstrom for refreshmant and to see how the new adjustible screen works.

When I'm done I will post a comperison writeup of all bikes (in my opinion) for those interested and I will decide which bike to go with.

Will keep ya posted........V

hopelessly lost
09-27-2006, 01:27 AM
i have to agree... i tried removing the sheild on my 06 DL1000 and it was not good. i don't think the mod on this particular post would work on my bike, but it is interesting and a great source of info. thanks for the post.

Throttlehound
09-29-2006, 10:32 PM
I also found a satisfactory fix for $5 utilizing the stock windshield and bracket.

My sight line is about 21.5" above the top centre of the gas cap.

I just replaced the four stock bracket bolts with 6mm x 50 mm bolts and put 3/4" spacers on the lower bolts between the bracket and the fairing. The stock windshield is sitting in the highest position and the air flow is very clean, no more buffeting at any speed. And I still have good bug / rain protection too. :D

allonsye
09-30-2006, 10:12 AM
I've tried windscreen mods - no complete joy.

I think the solution to eliminating turbulence lies in the use of Vortex Generators on the fairings.

See my thread:

http://stromtrooper.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8097&highlight=

Dirty Dog
02-17-2007, 02:50 PM
I also found a satisfactory fix for $5 utilizing the stock windshield and bracket.

My sight line is about 21.5" above the top centre of the gas cap.

I just replaced the four stock bracket bolts with 6mm x 50 mm bolts and put 3/4" spacers on the lower bolts between the bracket and the fairing. The stock windshield is sitting in the highest position and the air flow is very clean, no more buffeting at any speed. And I still have good bug / rain protection too. :D

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Hey Heavy, what are your thoughts on this? I think the 3/4 inch spacers under the bottom bolts sounds like a good way to go. Also you thoughts on raising the tubes 15mm?
Cutting the shield for 5'8" riders might work for them but I am 6'1" so have my doubts.
Got the plates out ot the secondaries, tank and front side panel painted black with vstrom logo now KTM/Harley orange with a small 996 logo attached. Looks bad! Also the 43 tooth rear sprocket is here along with the Dual star hand warmers. So a bunch of garage time is coming.
Dyno not installed at our dealer yet but thats ok cause we just got 2-4" more snow.
Replacement horn, speedohealer and bar end LOCK upgrades wating for finances to catch up.
Cheers, Ddog

One other question...why 4-50 mm long 6mm crews in sted of just 2 for the bottomg??

Heavy
02-17-2007, 05:58 PM
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Hey Heavy, what are your thoughts on this? I think the 3/4 inch spacers under the bottom bolts sounds like a good way to go.

I have 2 shields I use for my Strom, a full size Givi and a stock shield with 3-1/2" cut off of it. I shim them both out at the bottom and find it helps. I know, with the Givi, most of the wind comes from around the tank and up my thighs but the shimming still helps. Its easy to do and totally reversible so give it a shot.

--------Also you thoughts on raising the tubes 15mm?

I assume you're talking about the fork tubes? Did it on mine and haven't looked back. Another totally reversible mod. Try it. If you like it, keep it that way, if you don't like it, put it back. Simple.

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Cutting the shield for 5'8" riders might work for them but I am 6'1" so have my doubts.

It will do the same for you as it does for us shorter guys. It puts your head/helmet in smooth, clean airflow. It should work better for taller guys, like you. You will get more wind blast on your helmet but you should get much less of the buffetting.

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Got the plates out ot the secondaries, tank and front side panel painted black with vstrom logo now KTM/Harley orange with a small 996 logo attached. Looks bad! Also the 43 tooth rear sprocket is here along with the Dual star hand warmers. So a bunch of garage time is coming.
Dyno not installed at our dealer yet but thats ok cause we just got 2-4" more snow.
Replacement horn, speedohealer and bar end LOCK upgrades wating for finances to catch up.
Cheers, Ddog

You've been busy. What do you think of the secondary removal? Where are the pictures of the new color scheme?

--------One other question...why 4-50 mm long 6mm crews in sted of just 2 for the bottomg??

When you tilt the screen out this far it is difficult to get even the top screws threaded. The longer screws just make it easier.

MonkeyGrass
02-20-2007, 12:17 PM
Seems this thread is getting active again!

Guys, as I mentioned earlier if you haven't ridden, or aren't used to, nakeds or cruisers (without screens) then this mod may not be for you. It doesn't give you a pocket of silence or anything of the sort. It essentially turns the V-Strom into a naked bike, at least as far as the wind to the helmet goes. Yes, you are going to get wind gusts, yes, if you turn your head you are going to feel wind pushing on your head, if you pass a semi on the freeway you are going to feel turbulence. That's what wind does. What you WON'T have is the extra buffeting and head-knocking that the poorly designed fairing/windshield adds to the already existing wind. That's why the name of the thread is "Clean wind at last!" Not "Pocket of silence!"

I like wind. It makes me feel like I'm riding a motorcycle and not sitting in a cage. It seats my Shoei helmet firmly on my head. It keeps me cool when it's 95* in S. Carolina in August. But I don't like dirty wind that gives me headaches and double vision!

Essentially - if you remove the shield and don't like how that feels, DON'T DO THIS MOD. Cuz that's what it's gonna feel like after you cut it. There may also be a difference in the 02-03 DL's and the later models with slightly different fairings. I don't know. I came from naked standards and a couple cruisers w/o screens. I'm used to what normal wind feels like and to me that's part of what I love about riding. That was the point of this mod. Some folks get so carried away with these insane sails on the front of their bikes, I wonder if they wouldn't just be better off on a GoldWing or in a cage! :p

MonkeyGrass
02-20-2007, 12:27 PM
Guys I just realized I never finished updating with my final pics!!

I ended up cutting a "vent" in the nose, right where the Suzuki logo would be. I found that a solid shield, no matter HOW short, still causes a vacuum behind the screen, which results in air flowing up from the sides of the fairing. This creates a turbulent collision between the air coming over the screen and the air rushing up from the sides to fill the vacuum. Voila! You have buffeting! So - while some have added tank panniers and found that it gets rid of the buffeting (by stopping the air from rushing up over the sides), I found that notching the front of the shield on the 02-03 models, (which is basically what Suzuki tried to do on the 04+ ones with the mounting rails and separated screen setup) gets rid of the vacuum problem by letting a small amount of air flow directly thru the underside of the shield - no more buffeting!!

I'm going to go snap some pics and post them in just a few minutes, so you can see what I'm talking about.

Edit: Here they are

http://www.danlawlor.com/images/strom/FullFrontCut1.jpg

http://www.danlawlor.com/images/strom/CloseCut1.jpg


That little vent on the front makes a big difference!

ManiacSucks
02-20-2007, 03:48 PM
"Ram Air." :D Looks good!

ostion
02-21-2007, 07:52 PM
Ok Monkey Grass, I was just finished with the 1st project last night and I see there is a new development. Can you please post a few references on how you did this one? It seems pretty obvious, I am just asking about inches from the bottom, how to place the plastic rail at the end, etc. This idiot will appreciate any tips, even if redundant.
By the way, thank you. I have not riden it yet but I know I am going to like it.

Throttlehound
02-21-2007, 08:33 PM
I also found a satisfactory fix for $5 utilizing the stock windshield and bracket.

My sight line is about 21.5" above the top centre of the gas cap.

I just replaced the four stock bracket bolts with 6mm x 50 mm bolts and put 3/4" spacers on the lower bolts between the bracket and the fairing. The stock windshield is sitting in the highest position and the air flow is very clean, no more buffeting at any speed. And I still have good bug / rain protection too. :D

Hey, I'm quoting myself, is that as bad as talking to yourself?

Since this thread has come alive again, I thought I would clarify why I used 4 6mm x 50 mm stove bolts. Heavy was correct that when you shim out the bottom of the bracket by 3/4", you must increase the length of the top bolts because of the increased angle of the bracket to the fairing. However, you do not need a length of 50 mm on the top. This is in fact too long and I had to add some small spacers for filler. There is not enough room inside the fairing to tighten up the 50 mm bolts. I had ordered 40 mm for the top, but the order was messed up and 2 weeks late, so I took them anyway. (Had to order through Brafasco, not stocked by Home Depot!!). Maybe I'll cut them down at some point. After about 6,000 miles of riding with this setup, I was still satisfied and do not plan to replace the stock shield. YMMV.

MonkeyGrass
02-22-2007, 12:08 AM
Ok Monkey Grass, I was just finished with the 1st project last night and I see there is a new development. Can you please post a few references on how you did this one? It seems pretty obvious, I am just asking about inches from the bottom, how to place the plastic rail at the end, etc. This idiot will appreciate any tips, even if redundant.
By the way, thank you. I have not riden it yet but I know I am going to like it.

Pretty simple - I measured about 3" from the very bottom of the nose of the shield, made a mark at the centerline, then drew a smooth semi-arc from the top point to the sides with a sharpie. I taped it off just like the other cuts and used the dremel to carve out the arc. Sand and apply trim. I didn't even have to repaint it. The plastic trim is the same black rubber automotive door trim I used on the top cut. It's really a lifesaver - gives it that finished look and saves you from having to sand forever. ;) I have half a mind to go back up top, and smooth the "ears" off to match the same arc on the bottom cut, but since it works so well and looks OK as is, I've moved on to other projects and I'm just flat happy with how this works.

So basically everything I did was the same as the original mod. The dimensions are NOT critical, you just need to open a hole of a few inches so some air can get under the shield and get rid of the vacuum that causes the buffetting. It really works well. Both myself and everyone who has ridden the bike before and after can tell a huge difference!

Please post some pics when you get a chance, I'd love to see some other Stroms with similar screens.

Dirty Dog
02-22-2007, 09:09 AM
I don't see any engine guards in your photos. Do you just not tip over or fall down or what's the scam? I do. So I founf some Givis on line for $130 and wonder what you guys think. Heres the link. Any other s that might do a better job?
Ddog.
http://www.sporttour.com/VStrom.htm

MonkeyGrass
02-22-2007, 11:23 AM
I don't see any engine guards in your photos. Do you just not tip over or fall down or what's the scam?

Yeah, I try pretty hard not to fall over... I find the bike handles MUCH better when the rubber side is facing down!

:cool:

Heavy
02-22-2007, 09:08 PM
I don't see any engine guards in your photos. Do you just not tip over or fall down or what's the scam? I do. So I founf some Givis on line for $130 and wonder what you guys think. Heres the link. Any other s that might do a better job?
Ddog.
http://www.sporttour.com/VStrom.htm

Take a closer look. Givi all the way.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/jjchonga/V-Strom/V-Strom.jpg

Dirty Dog
02-22-2007, 11:30 PM
Yeah, I try pretty hard not to fall over... I find the bike handles MUCH better when the rubber side is facing down!

:cool:

Ok, gottcha..but I DO fall over. last time was in our local gas station. Dressed like an eskimo, foot caught something on the ground and over I went. One inexpensive $46 left front turn signal hanging by the wires and I was on the road again. All the folks at the station thought it was cool
I see Heavy you still have the stock front turn signals, what are your thoughts on the flush mount? Probably harder to break but also harder to see?
Think I just answered my own question.
I gotta quit asking you 2 guys things cuz every time I do I buy something else. This time it was the Givi engine guards I just ordered!
Another question, where do you get the body panel plastic hold in rivets or do you buy the million buck each stock Zuki stuff?
Anything else I need ?

Cheers Ddog

Heavy
02-23-2007, 03:55 PM
I see Heavy you still have the stock front turn signals, what are your thoughts on the flush mount? Probably harder to break but also harder to see?
Think I just answered my own question.
I gotta quit asking you 2 guys things cuz every time I do I buy something else. This time it was the Givi engine guards I just ordered!
Another question, where do you get the body panel plastic hold in rivets or do you buy the million buck each stock Zuki stuff?
Anything else I need ?

Cheers Ddog

Stock signals, visibility is very important to me and I think, although they look cool, flush mounts are not ideal. I've also found that many of the funky aftermarket signals use strange bulbs. I put tinfoil reflectors in my signals and they're not bad.

The little fasteners are easy enough to take off and reuse. I bought a couple of each size from my local dealer just to have in my tool box in case. You should also have a tube of silicone and a wire brush or bench grinder with a wire wheel on it. The bolts that come with the Givi have a thick galvanizing or something and should probably be buffed before they are installed. The silicone is to squooooge into the tubes where they join at the front. There is a separate connector piece that goes in between the two sides and there are tales of it rattling.

Good luck....I think we're still waiting for pictures, aren't we? New paint, new this, new that, custom otherthing. Come on Dirty One, make with the pics!

Dirty Dog
02-24-2007, 08:28 AM
OKAY, pics, we just finally got a digital camera and need to figure out how to use it. Gotta get the bike back together also.
Hey, anything we can do on the intake side? Is the K&N worth the trouble? The snorkle is there but looks like it might do an OK job of getting the air forced into the the box.
Thoughts, buddy.
Is Dirty One sort of like O B One?

Heavy
02-24-2007, 09:46 AM
OKAY, pics, we just finally got a digital camera and need to figure out how to use it.

:rolleyes: Sheesh....you related to WaterWarrior by chance? :rolleyes:



Hey, anything we can do on the intake side? Is the K&N worth the trouble? The snorkle is there but looks like it might do an OK job of getting the air forced into the the box.

I put a K&N in mine but the main reason was that its a lifetime filter, buy it once use it for the life of the bike. Do it when the bike is brand new so you have a clean OEM filter to put back in the bike when you are selling it and you can easily resell the K&N too. I know, there'll be a thousand people wailing about the poor filtration qualities and how my motor is going to grenade in the near future but, personally, I'm willing to take my chances, which I feel are very good. The snorkle also does a good job of scooping lots of bugs and other wildlife into the intake. I zipp tied a piece of window screen over mine to keep the big chunks out of my air filter.

Is Dirty One sort of like O B One?

Oh ya...exactly how I think of you. :rolleyes:

MonkeyGrass
02-24-2007, 11:53 AM
Hey Dirty Dog!!

I love my flush mounts, they really clean up the bike and I don't think they are any less visible than the stockers. Then I again, I do NOT depend on a turn signal to keep me out of harm's way. I use my brain for that! :D

I went to my Zook dealer and bought a handful of those plastic rivets.. I know the parts guy and he just gave me a handful for $5. They can be reused probably 4-5 times before they just become loose and floppy. Alternately, if you are ordering parts, it's worth it to get them from Bike Bandit or another OEM supplier. I say combine it with another order b/c I refuse to pay $6 shipping for about 4 ounces of plastic. When you are already buying something else, it doesn't cost any more to add them to the order.

As for the tipping over, is the bike tall for you? Lowering links and dropping the triple trees in the fork tubes to lower the front might not be a bad idea.

coonass
02-25-2007, 09:43 AM
This is "Food for Thought" , I have an 02 with both Suzuki windscreens. Living in the South it is hot and the tall screen doesn't work well in the warmer months. I too have felt tall wasn't the way to go and have replaced the tall screen with the stock height. This is another option..Thanks Monkeygrass!

Dirty Dog
02-27-2007, 08:19 AM
"I went to my Zook dealer and bought a handful of those plastic rivets.. I know the parts guy and he just gave me a handful for $5. They can be reused probably 4-5 times before they just become loose and floppy"

Heavy, how in the heck do you get behind or gain access to the back of the button to push them out? Is there a way to remove them from the visible side? Hard to push out with your fingers and I got to thinking maybe my wifes thimble might make life easier if I confiscated hers.

60th suprise B'day party last sat. my sweetie had for me. All old dirt and street riders and wives were there. Great time.

Moab Utah april 15th if you guys are interested. Unbelievable off and on road riding out there. Write me if your interested.
"Life is good" right now, and having "graduated" makes it even better.
Ddog

Heavy
02-27-2007, 09:44 AM
The centre section pushes in, from the front side, to "unlock" the fastener. Once you pull the fastener out you push the centre back out to "reload" it. On reassembly, push the fastener in and the push the centre section flush to "lock" it.

Happy belated Birthday.

hbonser
02-27-2007, 01:17 PM
On the "Great home-brew windscreen modification"... Did it on my factory tall windscreen that came with my DL1K3.

Since I am rather tall, I did 3" off at first, and no change. Maybe a bit more wind on the chest, but still the wind noise. Got home last night, took off another inch and went for a quick ride before dark. A little more wind on my chest, but no change in noise. Took it down another inch to where it is now, and the wind noise is vacillating a bit, getting gone, but still there sometimes. I'll take another inch off tonight or might just go down to the level shown in the pictures and be done with it.

I took the screen off last week and went for a ride as suggested, and it was amazing.

The wind blast on the chest is a bit more than I like, so for longer rides I'll pick up a ZG touring screen that will be a bit taller than even the factory tall screen from what I hear, and use the super short home-brew screen for everyday running.

Later!

Howard.

DraganeeRacing
04-16-2007, 08:09 PM
so maybe a cut stock screen and a MadStad could be the definative answer ?

DraganeeRacing
04-20-2007, 05:57 PM
and it is !.. did the cut mod and used the MadStad... gentle wind at upper chest level and NO head buffetting.. looks like the new GiVi is off to the classifieds...

mororless
04-29-2007, 04:14 AM
MonkeyGrass,
I am going to try your mod. But for some reason you pics are coming up online and your 2nd cut in word only format is getting me a little lost. I am not the best handy man. If I could see the pics it would make sense. Thanks.

MonkeyGrass
04-29-2007, 01:47 PM
Mororless,

Something is going on with my webserver. I've got to try and figure that out. The pics will show back up once I get that fixed.

Sorry about that!!

bradiop
04-30-2007, 09:49 PM
Interesting idea that shorter makes for cleaner air and quieter.

I just went from Honda ST1300 with wider Bailey windshield to 06 WEE and was amazed at how much quieter the WEE is. On the Honda I always needed to wear ear plugs on the WEE not really needed.

Great idea.

ostion
05-01-2007, 01:12 PM
I have tried 3 different aftermarket screens and Monkey Grass' solution is still the best. I have not even tried to cut the bottom part and let the draft through it. I totally recommend it, plus it gives the motorcycle a Mad Max look, IMHO.

DaddyO
06-09-2007, 09:42 PM
Well, I did mine today. I'm a bit disappointed, the wind hits my upper chest, and I did not see much improvement. I was wanting it to be more like the bike with no screen on it.

The only place where I differed from the setup was I only made the holw at the bottom 2 1/4 inches.

I'm 6' 1" with a 32" inseam. Any suggestions? Do I need to cut the lip down more or make the whole at the bottom bigger?

MonkeyGrass
06-11-2007, 10:26 AM
The wind is supposed to hit your upper chest/shoulders... that way - the wind that hits the helmet is in clean air. Just like a naked standard. That's where it hits me and it's exactly the way I like it. If you are looking for still air, or no wind, this isn't the mod for you.

If you are looking for clean air, cut the lip down nearly flush with the top of the fairing, and widen the hole at the bottom. That should help. You should be in totally clean air.. My brother is 6' with a 31" inseam and he's totally in love with the screen chop on my Strom. It's got him wanting to sell his SV650 every other tme he rides it!

DaddyO
06-11-2007, 10:42 AM
I chopped it down 1.5 more inches yesterday. It is nearly flush and I like it. It reminds me of my Bandit now, the air is much more clean. Have you lowered your forks any? I wonder if that affects the feel of it.

Thanks.

MonkeyGrass
06-11-2007, 10:49 AM
I have. I lowered the rear 1/2", and then lowered the front a total of 1"... 1/2 to match the rear lowering, and another 1/2" to plant the front end and boy it really helps. If you don't have lowering links (and you likely don't need them being 6'2"!) drop the front 1/2" and check out the difference. It takes all of 10 minutes to do it and you can put it back in the same amount of time if you don't like it.

... but I bet you will!! ;)

Sounds like you found the "sweet spot". Enjoy! You'll need all the air you can get during the summer months. They call it BOILING Springs for a reason... ;) :mrgreen:

jbh
06-15-2007, 01:00 AM
and it is !.. did the cut mod and used the MadStad... gentle wind at upper chest level and NO head buffetting.. looks like the new GiVi is off to the classifieds...

How tall are you and how much did you cut off the top? I think I may do the same think, I am 6 ft.