Which boomstick do you bring camping?

[Warhammer]

What do you pack for self defense or just for fun while camping? Obviously, this applies more to remote camping than camping at a park (although I wouldn't camp unarmed at a park, either), since your options are more limited when the public is in closer proximity. Anyone carry a compact rifle while camping, or just a handgun?

For those of you who would not or, due to the laws of your country/state/etc..., can't defend yourselves, let me preemptively say that this is not a "debate about gun ownership" thread. So please, before you pop off, just keep it to yourself.

I'll start:

For general carry, I have a lightly farkled Kahr K40 in stainless.
-2-tone polished/matte stainless frame & slide
-extended & ported barrel
-hardwood grips
-custom SS hex grip screws
-extended mag
-polished feed ramp & chamber
-Wolff lightened springs
This is my daily driver, if you will.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v409/rlkeely/IMGP0987.jpg

When I'm camping in a place where some fun shooting/plinking is in order, I pack my S&W 622 (alloy .22 pistol) and heavily farkled AK-47. The AK folds compactly enough to fit in a duffel, and the ammo is cheap enough for plinking. This one is also my SHTF/zombie killer.:D It gets farkeled as frequently as my Strom. I'll have to snap a current pic to post.

[Dorzok]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH. Not bRoomstick!!


Anyway, not allowed to own an "assault" weapon like that in Cali.
Join the NRA people.

[Warhammer]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH. Not bRoomstick!!

LOL! I didn't think of "broomstick" when I posted that. Where you thinking of an ex?

Anyway, not allowed to own an "assault" weapon like that in Cali.
Join the NRA people.

All that beautiful weather to camp in, and you can't bring a plinker to have fun with? That sucks! When I lived in the PNW, I had loads of fun camping and shooting. I just didn't do much camping off my bike.

+1 on the NRA!!!

[chris swann]

i read an article in outside magazine saying how the national parks are some of the most dagerous parts of america , lots of criminals and crimanal activity . sounds hard to believe

[Warhammer]

i read an article in outside magazine saying how the national parks are some of the most dagerous parts of america , lots of criminals and crimanal activity . sounds hard to believe

I've heard that, too. There are just too many remote spaces for Rangers to effectively patrol the parks. Pay-per-use campgrounds aren't as bad, but then you kind of loose that "out in the middle of nowhere" experience. There have been several campers murdered on BLM land up in Oregon over the last few years. A few years ago, a couple was killed while camping just outside of my wife's hometown of Oakridge. You really have to look out for yourself and be aware of who is in the wilderness with you. I wouldn't dream of going camping unarmed.

[roger123]

I either have my hamerless Smith in stainless or the Glock 26.

[MTNAdventureRider]

An inexpensive, compact, great operating and very nice shooting....

Bersa 380 Auto

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h255/Wildernesshunter/thun380_CC_th.jpg

[Dorzok]

LOL! I didn't think of "broomstick" when I posted that. Where you thinking of an ex?



All that beautiful weather to camp in, and you can't bring a plinker to have fun with? That sucks! When I lived in the PNW, I had loads of fun camping and shooting. I just didn't do much camping off my bike.

+1 on the NRA!!!

what i don't get is how state by state they can ban certain guns that the feds haven't.

I tell you what. The NRA better add malitia to their title before Obama BinLadin takes everyone's guns and trow you in jail when you hide them. at least he won't tortue you during your visit. :rolleyes:

[Warhammer]

An inexpensive, compact, great operating and very nice shooting....

Bersa 380 Auto

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h255/Wildernesshunter/thun380_CC_th.jpg

Those Bersa .380s are very popular down here. A lot of LEOs carry them as back up/off duty guns. My dad and sister each have one and they are very happy with them. Nice little shooters.

[oremike]

My camp gun is a Sig P-220 loaded with +P 230 XTP's. main reason for the heavy load HP's is for the big cats found around here. If need be I want to be able to break a charge. Definitely a shot I don't want to take, but I want it to be all that if I do.

[mongoslow]

i saw the bersa in a .40 a few weeks ago, i would like to shoot it and mabey ad it to my vault :)

[Big B]

I really like that Bersa 380....although I am looking at a Rossi 357 snub nose. Talk about a boom stick!!!!!!! I already have a 6 inch stainless 357, it is a tad bit hard to conceal/carry.

[Warhammer]

My camp gun is a Sig P-220 loaded with +P 230 XTP's. main reason for the heavy load HP's is for the big cats found around here. If need be I want to be able to break a charge. Definitely a shot I don't want to take, but I want it to be all that if I do.

Good idea, mountain lion attacks weren't that common when I lived up there in the early 90's. I've been hearing, both from family and on the news, that big cat attacks have risen considerably. No big cats down here in Texas, but we have a lot of 2-legged jackals.

[Thor Hiney]

I bring my Wrist-Rocket and a small bag of marbles.(stones work also but are not very accurate) I am a much better shot with it than with a gun. It can be a heck of a lot of fun for plinking. The sound it makes ricocheting on a gravel road is pretty intimidating. I just leave it in my travel pack. No need for upkeep no worries and cheap just like me!

[garandman]

S&W 3913. A classic carry pistol.

[bigcountry58]

Kimber ultra carry II .45 cal... incredible gun for concealed carry and personal protection.

[T3/T4 Hybrid]

Good idea, mountain lion attacks weren't that common when I lived up there in the early 90's. I've been hearing, both from family and on the news, that big cat attacks have risen considerably. No big cats down here in Texas, but we have a lot of 2-legged jackals.


I worry more myself about the 2-legged jackel than I ever do about the wildlife.. ;) I carry my glock 27 for that very reason. ;)

[Colin]

Owning a handgun up here is more trouble than its worth but I used to have a S&W 357 mag that I carried in the back country. I never felt the need for it in any of the campgrounds in Canada.
I was always worried I would get discovered by the law so I finally sold it.
When I am out on my ATV or just walking in the back country I usually have my Kimber 325 WSM rifle. With a Safari sling it is very easy to carry and will easily take down anything in NA.
Bears, both Black and Grizzley are probably the biggest threat around here but Cougars are being spotted more often as the deer population increases.

[Smellyhound]

I am so glad I found this thread. I was just wondering who carried and what while riding. I was actually more curious about "Urban" camping, but real camping works too. When I drove back and forth to Seattle for work I concealed carried my Browning Hi-Power. I don't travel that much anymore (hope to change that soon:mrgreen:) and I was wondering what people do when they cross State lines. Other than DC, NYC, and some places in Illinois open carry is legal (or so I was told). So what does everybody do? Do you carry concealed against state law in the hope that you won't get caught? Or do you open carry in compliance with most states laws? I have noticed cruiser riders passing on their way to Sturgis (or elsewhere) before carrying open. Most LEOs are pretty cool about it, but some business owners are kind of pricks about it and cause a ruckus. I was stopped once because a bread truck driver saw me come out of a gas station and the butt (my pistol, not my ass) was showing. He called the S.O., and they pulled me over down the road. The cop checked my permit, and let me go... nice guy too. I plan on covering a couple states this year including OR, CA and ID, and I don't want no trouble. Do ya think a tactical thigh holster would be a bit much? I want access if I need it, and concealed under my riding coat is crappy access.
BTW Obama isnt going to take your guns... they're just going to make your ammo expire and be worthless. Nothing in the Constitution about screwing with ammo.:mad5:

[Wombat]

I am so glad I found this thread. I was just wondering who carried and what while riding. I was actually more curious about "Urban" camping, but real camping works too. When I drove back and forth to Seattle for work I concealed carried my Browning Hi-Power. I don't travel that much anymore (hope to change that soon:mrgreen:) and I was wondering what people do when they cross State lines. Other than DC, NYC, and some places in Illinois open carry is legal (or so I was told). So what does everybody do? Do you carry concealed against state law in the hope that you won't get caught? Or do you open carry in compliance with most states laws? I have noticed cruiser riders passing on their way to Sturgis (or elsewhere) before carrying open. Most LEOs are pretty cool about it, but some business owners are kind of pricks about it and cause a ruckus. I was stopped once because a bread truck driver saw me come out of a gas station and the butt (my pistol, not my ass) was showing. He called the S.O., and they pulled me over down the road. The cop checked my permit, and let me go... nice guy too. I plan on covering a couple states this year including OR, CA and ID, and I don't want no trouble. Do ya think a tactical thigh holster would be a bit much? I want access if I need it, and concealed under my riding coat is crappy access.
BTW Obama isnt going to take your guns... they're just going to make your ammo expire and be worthless. Nothing in the Constitution about screwing with ammo.:mad5:

For Open Carry laws and states which allow check: Opencarry.org (http://opencarry.org)
For most things you need to know about concealed carry, check here: carryconcealed.net (http://www.carryconcealed.net).

[Smellyhound]

For Open Carry laws and states which allow check: Opencarry.org (http://opencarry.org)
For most things you need to know about concealed carry, check here: carryconcealed.net (http://www.carryconcealed.net).
Sweet, thanks!

[dakotasdad]

I carry a Glock 19 on me and this is tucked somewhere safe at camp.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii64/dakotasdad_album/100_1208.jpg

I don't bring all the magazines with me just a couple.

Anthony

[Warhammer]

Nice Saiga, Anthony. What comp is that on the end?


SmellyHound, Oregon does not offer reciprocity with ANY other state in regards to CC. The only way to carry concealed (legally) in OR is to get an OR permit. I'm pretty sure CA is the same way.

[dakotasdad]

Warhammer,

The comp is from www.chaosus(take this out).com/products.html. I've found it to be just a tad too long so I removed an inch and gave it teeth. Much better.

Anthony

[re-psycle]

Those Bersa .380s are very popular down here. A lot of LEOs carry them as back up/off duty guns. My dad and sister each have one and they are very happy with them. Nice little shooters.
The Bersa .380 is a "tweener" for me.
For that size and weight, I favor my M&P 9mm compact.
For smaller and lighter, I grab the 642.
(Also have tried a P3AT and have no need for that.)
Even tho' I don't carry the Bersa, it was a crowd pleaser for the group I shot with last weekend.

I got into handguns after age 50 and my eyes and hands aren't what they used to be, but IDPA and some personal instruction have surely helped. I'd recommend both to anyone wanting to improve.

[Warhammer]

The Bersa .380 is a "tweener" for me.
For that size and weight, I favor my M&P 9mm compact.
For smaller and lighter, I grab the 642.
(Also have tried a P3AT and have no need for that.)
Even tho' I don't carry the Bersa, it was a crowd pleaser for the group I shot with last weekend.

I got into handguns after age 50 and my eyes and hands aren't what they used to be, but IDPA and some personal instruction have surely helped. I'd recommend both to anyone wanting to improve.


I agree, the Bersa is nice, but .380 is marginal for carry, IMHO. I have a Taurus 650 that fills the same roll as your 642. It's a pleasure to shoot with .38's, but a bit punishing with full bore .357 Mags. I really love my K40. It fits my hand like it was custom built and it's more accurate than any pistol with a 4" barrel has a right to be. Also, I've always had a preference for autos over wheel guns, but that's just me.

[Nosnow]

Protecting yourself is great. Many have died to give us that right....but keep it in prospective......You have a better chance of getting killed by a 'cage' while riding to the camp site than being murdered while there.

[Warhammer]

Protecting yourself is great. Many have died to give us that right....but keep it in prospective......You have a better chance of getting killed by a 'cage' while riding to the camp site than being murdered while there.

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For those of you who would not or, due to the laws of your country/state/etc..., can't defend yourselves, let me preemptively say that this is not a "debate about gun ownership" thread. So please, before you pop off, just keep it to yourself.


I now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.

[Nosnow]

Smellhound,
In Oregon, you can't carry concealed. If you wear it open, you will draw attention. It is a catch 22. Keep it tucked away. If you're not a criminal and don't do anything to get into trouble....it will never be a worry. If you are placed in a position where you HAVE to use your weapon to defend yourself, the 'possession' charge is the least of you worries. REMEMBER........It is better to be judged by 6, than to be carried by 12.
Re: Concealed Weapon Permits...they are only good in the state that they are issued. The only individuals that are criminally exempt from carrying state to state are LEO's.

And thanks, Warhammer, for the English lesson.....Or should it be 'Websterhammer'?

[Warhammer]

Smellhound,
In Oregon, you can't carry concealed. If you wear it open, you will draw attention. It is a catch 22. Keep it tucked away. If you're not a criminal and don't do anything to get into trouble....it will never be a worry. If you are placed in a position where you HAVE to use your weapon to defend yourself, the 'possession' charge is the least of you worries. REMEMBER........It is better to be judged by 6, than to be carried by 12.
Re: Concealed Weapon Permits...they are only good in the state that they are issued. The only individuals that are criminally exempt from carrying state to state are LEO's.


Oregon is a "shall issue" state. Anyone who applies for a Concealed Handgun License (CHL), has met the requirements (has taken a handgun safety course and has 2 forms of ID) and who is not specifically barred from receiving one (due to history of criminal convictions or mental instability) shall be issued a CHL. The cost is $65.

Reciprocity (honoring another state's CHL) varies from state to state. Oregon only honors 13 other state's CHLs, but it will issue an OR CHL to a resident of another state. Arizona, on the other hand, honors ALL other state's CHLs. Texas only honors the CHLs of states who also honor TX CHLs.

Open carry is actually legal in Oregon, except for specific municipalities which have enacted ordinances against it (state law specifically allows municipalities to supersede the state on this issue). Portland, Beaverton, Tigard, Oregon City, Salem, and Independence have passed loaded firearms bans encompassing all public places. State Parks are also off limits for open carry, but BLM land is fair game.

It is never a good idea to carry concealed illegally. Just know your local laws and it really isn't hard to stay within them. I'm really not trying to pick on you, Nosnow, but you really need to know your facts when advising people on something like this. Getting it wrong could land someone in prison.

[chris swann]

in canada we are not allowed carry a hand guns unless too and from a shooting range with a permit for that day . if i was allowed i would own a 44 magnum revolver in stainless with a long barrel , or a defender type shot gun with slugs . i dont no much about guns but im told these can stop grizzly bears from eating you

[eckej]

I've heard that, too. There are just too many remote spaces for Rangers to effectively patrol the parks. Pay-per-use campgrounds aren't as bad, but then you kind of loose that "out in the middle of nowhere" experience. There have been several campers murdered on BLM land up in Oregon over the last few years. A few years ago, a couple was killed while camping just outside of my wife's hometown of Oakridge. You really have to look out for yourself and be aware of who is in the wilderness with you. I wouldn't dream of going camping unarmed.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it is illegal to carry a firearm into any National Park.:confused:

[Warhammer]

Please correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it is illegal to carry a firearm into any National Park.:confused:

Yes, you are wrong. (But you would have been right last year.;))

Effective January of 2009, loaded weapons are allowed in National Parks provided that you have a valid CHL and concealed carry is legal in the state where the park is located. Guns are still not allowed in National Monuments (like the Statue of Liberty or Lincoln Memorial) and you can't carry inside visitor centers or other public buildings on National Parks.

Anyway, in the statement that you quoted, I was really more referring to BLM/Forest Service land than National Parks. I prefer to camp in a natural setting versus a campground any day. The LBJ/Caddo National Grasslands in Texas are really great areas to camp and ride. There are miles and miles of dirt roads to explore. There are even large areas of the Grasslands where hunting is allowed. Doves, quail, woodcocks, ducks, geese, turkey, deer, rabbits, gray & fox squirrels, hogs... and then there's the fishing!

[Fa Wombat]

This post scares me. Lived and camped in BC and Washington for a couple of years and felt safer in LA than I did in London. I guess if guns float your boat so be it.

[daytona125]

I bring a small hatchet and a kodak digital camera, all I'm allowed in Canada, thank goodness!

[daytona125]

in canada we are not allowed carry a hand guns unless too and from a shooting range with a permit for that day . if i was allowed i would own a 44 magnum revolver in stainless with a long barrel , or a defender type shot gun with slugs . i dont no much about guns but im told these can stop grizzly bears from eating you

In most cases an air horn can also deter bears.

[Warhammer]

Wombat and Daytona,

Thank you very much for your valuable input and please allow me to respectfully refer you to the very first post in this thread:


For those of you who would not or, due to the laws of your country/state/etc..., can't defend yourselves, let me preemptively say that this is not a "debate about gun ownership" thread. So please, before you pop off, just keep it to yourself.

[JGL351]

... and then there's the fishing![/quote]

What kind of gun do you use ....and how do you retrieve the fish? :mrgreen:

[Warhammer]

... and then there's the fishing!

What kind of gun do you use ....and how do you retrieve the fish? :mrgreen:[/QUOTE]

Yeah, the fishing part was slightly off topic, but there is some pretty good lake fishing down here in TX. I do miss the trout fishing up in OR, though.

[T3/T4 Hybrid]

Wombat and Daytona,

Thank you very much for your valuable input and please allow me to respectfully refer you to the very first post in this thread:


WarHammer some folks are jovial to only be allowed by the STATE to be on their knees begging for their life or family member’s life when faced with an Assailant.

They will happy give up their own rights and then forcible make you give up yours. :rolleyes:

[Warhammer]

Just remember, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

[Toto]

Up here the only folks permitted to carry are police and gang members.:var_39:

[Smellyhound]

In most cases an air horn can also deter bears.
I read an interesting article on bears, and how to tell the difference between Black bears and Grizzlies or Browns. They advise to wear Bells and carry pepper spray anytime youre in bear country. The way to tell the difference is Black bear scat has berries and rodent fur in it. Grizzly and brown bear poop has bells and airhorns in it and smells like pepper spray :mrgreen:

[Smellyhound]

Smellhound,
In Oregon, you can't carry concealed. If you wear it open, you will draw attention. It is a catch 22. Keep it tucked away. If you're not a criminal and don't do anything to get into trouble....it will never be a worry. If you are placed in a position where you HAVE to use your weapon to defend yourself, the 'possession' charge is the least of you worries. REMEMBER........It is better to be judged by 6, than to be carried by 12.
Re: Concealed Weapon Permits...they are only good in the state that they are issued. The only individuals that are criminally exempt from carrying state to state are LEO's.

And thanks, Warhammer, for the English lesson.....Or should it be 'Websterhammer'?
I educated myself about Oregon, Thanks. There is actually a class offered up in Wenatchee. It's your basic handgun, concealed carry class, is about 4-8 hours I think. They charge about $100 (+/-) and process your Utah CC license which is good in like 23 states ( apparently the most bang for your buck... no pun intended). Thanks Warhammer for the detailed info on municipalities in OR. Those were the first states I looked at (God Bless Idaho). It looks like the places I plan on going to, open carry will be fine. I am not planning on wearing it to make a statement, just to have it more available than packed in my top box under the clean underwear and sunscreen where it does absolutely no good whatsoever.

I have had my own personal incidents in areas where one would think they were safe. Gangbangers, and other Pukes aren't confined to Metro areas. In fact to avoid Law Enf, many are moving out to rural areas, and it isn't for the scenery or nice country folk. Whomever mentioned the Danger of Nat. parks, State Parks and Nat. Forests was right on the money. More shit goes down out in the sticks than I think many realize (if it isn't on CNN or FOX it didnt happen, right?). It isn't about them taking my stuff, it's about what they do with you afterwards so there aren't any witnesses that bothers me.

The links you listed were very helpful, nd I found a few others on my own. Thanks again.
Paul

[swingset]

I have an Ohio, Utah & Florida CHL permit, which allows me the maximum possible states to carry into (32, IIRC), and I do carry at all times....having found through bad personal experience that you don't get to choose when predators seek you out, nor is it where you expect to find them.

I carry an M&P 9mm compact in the winter, and during the summer months a Keltec P3AT if dress demands a smaller, more discreet weapon.

Both have served me very well, and I do keep trained and practiced as much as I'm able....having a gun doesn't make you a gunfighter anymore than having a guitar makes you a musician. Just owning it isn't enough, IMHO.

And, as I've said previously on this board for those who don't understand the pro-gun mindset, for many of us who choose to carry - it's a choice of preparedness, not a wanton bloodlust. I don't wish to EVER use my gun in self defense but I'm ready to, just as I don't want to use a first aid kit, or a fire extinguisher, but I know how to use all of them and carry them so I will not shrink at the first emergency. My first duty as a husband and father is to provide for the safety of my family - and if that means returning home every day from work, or from a motorcycle trip, I'll carry the tools that give me the best chance at doing that, be it a helmet, a cell phone, a gun, or a AAA card. All of them are just tools, necessary, sometimes inconvenient tools. And, often as I travel with my wife and kid, having the tools to defend them takes precedence over my own wants.

[Warhammer]

Smellhound,
And thanks, Warhammer, for the English lesson.....Or should it be 'Websterhammer'?

LOL! I just noticed this part of your post. That's funny!

Smellyhound,
Glad we could be of assistance. Just make sure to check laws regarding open carry for CHL holders. In some states, once you have a CHL you can no longer carry openly; it's concealed or nothing. Oregon allows open carry for CHL holders. In fact, a CHL holder is exempt from the open cary bans put in place by municipalities such as Portland:
14A.60.010 Possession of a Loaded Firearm in a Public Place. - Printable Version

A. It is unlawful for any person to knowingly possess or carry a firearm, in or upon a public place, including while in a vehicle in a public place, recklessly having failed to remove all the ammunition from the firearm.

B. It is unlawful for any person to knowingly possess or carry a firearm and that firearm’s clip or magazine, in or upon a public place, including while in a vehicle in a public place, recklessly having failed to remove all the ammunition from the clip or magazine.

C. The following are exceptions and constitute affirmative defenses to a violation of this Section:

3. A person licensed to carry a concealed handgun.

I regularly open carried when I lived in the Pacific Northwest. The funny thing about Oregon law is that having a Concealed Handgun License will allow you to legally carry a loaded longarm openly. Go figure...

Swingset,
Very well said. That is exactly how I feel. I truly, TRULY hope never to be forced to use any firearm in defense of myself or my loved ones, but I am prepared and willing to do so. It's all about taking a pragmatic look at the world around you and behaving accordingly. As the old saw goes: You may have a gun and not need it many times, but you will need a gun and not have it only once.

[jwt]

Up here the only folks permitted to carry are police and gang members.:var_39:

Same here. I tend to ignore laws that would put me at an extreme disadvantage to by abiding by them. Baltimore is the land of illegal aliens being issued drivers licenses, pants falling down, and crooked baseball caps. The government breaks more laws than I ever will. I choose to be able defend myself, camping and otherwise. If that makes me a criminal in the eyes of a corrupt government, I couldn't care less.

[jwt]

....on this one:mrgreen: I wouldn't join that POS "corporation" if you folks took up a charity and paid my dues for me. As I've mentioned before in other posts. I had an FFL for 17 years. Never felt the need to join the POS NRA. YMMV:cheers2:

I'm sure you've got your reasons ranier tom, but i'm a proud nra member. Mainly because my membershit, I mean membership $ goes to fighting legal issues caused by would be gun and ammo banners. Lawyers don't always work pro bono, and the other side is lawsuit happy.

[Warhammer]

What has bothered in recent years is how much "donated" money the NRA has spent on "itself".

It may not be the most efficient machine, but there are too few organizations doing ANYTHING to protect our rights for us to crucify those that are at least trying.

[jwt]

Sad but true. Nonetheless....the NRA is a group that I do not admire. 30 years ago....yes I admired them. The NRA is a charity group that should be operating out of someones basement....not out of multi million dollar (member funded) buildings.

Yea. I've driven through virginia past their headquarters. Pretty grandiose. Money would be better spent elsewhere. Like they should sell all the churches and buy food for helpless invalids w/ the proceeds. But that's probably a different thread.

[mike25]

But you're spot on jwt. Hence my disrespect for the NRA.

And churches.................

[Smellyhound]

And churches.................
Wow, and I thought I was alone in this world. I frequently donate to my favorite charity... me and my family.

[T3/T4 Hybrid]

And churches.................


At least you have a choice in sending money to either... ;)

[Hammerhead]

First, I want to apologize to Warhammer because I know he didn't want to turn this into a debate but I've gotta share something that amazed me.

A while back, a business in the office complex where my wife works was robbed at gun point. Shortly afterward they put a sign on the door saying "Absolutely No Firearms Allowed on These Premesis". Now, does this make sense to anyone?

First, no armed robber is going to see that sign & leave.

Second, the sign merely tells said robber that no one in this business is packing so it's probably a safe place to hit.

Sorry again for getting off subject but the stupidity of some is astonishing.

[Smellyhound]

First, I want to apologize to Warhammer because I know he didn't want to turn this into a debate but I've gotta share something that amazed me.

A while back, a business in the office complex where my wife works was robbed at gun point. Shortly afterward they put a sign on the door saying "Absolutely No Firearms Allowed on These Premesis". Now, does this make sense to anyone?

First, no armed robber is going to see that sign & leave.

Second, the sign merely tells said robber that no one in this business is packing so it's probably a safe place to hit.

Sorry again for getting off subject but the stupidity of some is astonishing.
You just never know. Criminals aren't typically the brightest bulbs in the box. Not to mention their deductive reasoning skills tend to be a little lacking as well. It does seem to fly in the face of reason, but that just might be crazy enough to work. I guess they will know if they get robbed at knifepoint.

[swingset]

What has bothered in recent years is how much "donated" money the NRA has spent on "itself".

I think you're confusing the NRA with it's legal & legislative wing, the NRA/ILA. They are two mutually exclusive organizations, devoted to two very different things with their own books and revenue.

If the NRA itself is not a charity, all the better as much of what it does promotes hunting, marksmanship, competition and the sport of shooting.....and the $$ that it generates doesn't really need to be justified within the framework of fighting for gun rights.....that's what it's sister organization does. I do not mind if the NRA has a lavish home with which to promote our sport or to keep its paid employees working in a nice environment. Many there do a thankless job and are villified by many in this country unfairly. Good for the NRA for having that kind of cash to use both in support of firearms and the infrastructure with which to support it.

Like most member run & financed organizations both the NRA and the ILA are subject to the members direction. You can change the NRA by voting and if you disagree with the finances vote someone in that agrees with you.

[Warhammer]

I found a really cool interactive map online. You just click which state you have a CHL in, and it will tell you which other state honor it. Check it out: http://www.handgunlaw.us/LicMaps/ccwmap.php


Also, here's a good state-by-state guide from the NRA: http://www.nraila.org/recmap/recguide.pdf

The NRA guide is a little more current than the interactive map. I've found a couple of mistakes on the map.

[EPD1102]

And now we bring you back to the topic:

I carry a Glock 19. It's the mid-size 9mm. It has Trijicon night sights. If I'm carrying, and I am always carrying, I also carry a small SureFire L1 light for target identification and a cell phone for communication.
I like the quote above about when seconds count, the police are only minutes away. I'm retired L.E. and I know we aren't always close when we're needed, especially in rural areas such as parks, etc.
If I were going to bear country, I'd probably carry a Glock 20 or 29 in 10mm with +P loads. I'd probably forego the hollow points for some type of solid bullet that would give deeper penetration on a large critter such as a bear.
For two-legged predators, I think the 9mm bonded hollowpoints such as Federal HST or Winchester SXT offer very good bullet performance and penetration.
I'd still be sure to carry a good light and a cell phone though.

[VstromVoyager]

I took a nice trip on my Wee last year from Oregon to SoCal and then over to Texas, making sure to see the sight along the way. Even though I knew I couldn't carry on my person the whole trip I still took my weapon. For that trip I had 2 choices at the time a .22lr and a XD40 tactical. I figured if the SHTF or the possible stray animal the .22 was just going to make them mad, so I chose the XD. A little big and it spent most of it's time locked in the trunk. I now have a Ket-Tec pf-9. It's about the size of the Kahr P-9, but more in my budget.

BTW Rainier Tom are you an OFF member?

[Motofan]

Sig 229 .40 S&W

[998]

Kimber Ultra Carry II loaded with Winchester Rangers...Or S+W 4.5 inch .357 loaded with nyclad +P. It all depends on if I am in Bear country or not when I go.

[SittingDuck]

I don't carry, but if I were to, I'd have to pick the sig sauer ssg-3000.
It's the only thing that'll keep me safe from your short-range peashooters ;). And I figure if I need more than 5 rounds, I'm probably still going to miss again.
I see Glock doesn't make the 18 anymore. Too bad. That was a nice handgun. I regret leaving it with my ex (we were lucky to get our hands on one before the whole "omg, we need to ban guns" epidemic struck).
Deep down inside though, I really dig crossbows.

[chris swann]

shit im going camping tomorow in grizzly country and all ive got is a butter knife

[SittingDuck]

shit im going camping tomorow in grizzly country and all ive got is a butter knife

oh shit! you're screwed...
http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_jul2008/BearWarning.jpg
Yes, the sign is real. That campground is full of funnies.

[QuietMike]

I laughed 'til my eyes watered. I read the whole sign thinking it was serious until I got to that last paragraph.

[K7Pilot]

Just got a Hi-Point JHP in .45ACP. It will make a good camp gun...It will also double as a mallet if I need something to drive my tent stakes in with :mod2_hammer: LOL...

Seriously anyone have any experience with these clubs? It is ugly as sin, but it grows on you after a while...kinda like a V/Wee!

[CMDEFO]

A new walther PPS 9mm is my personal favorite. Problem is that many of the states around here are bitches about LTC's (IE NY and WV). I've got LTC for MA, CT, and NH, but they don't cover me in other states. Heading to WV and this summer for a long trip and of all the backward states, WV will not accept any of my LTC's to allow me to pack, even while camping. WV and NY will only issue to residence, and NY is super strict about which residence they will issue to (got to be related to a state cop or be a politician).

The f'ed up thing about abiding to the law is that criminals carry weapons without a LTC, but as a law abiding citizen, I'm not allowed to carry.

[dakotasdad]

Just got a Hi-Point JHP in .45ACP. It will make a good camp gun...It will also double as a mallet if I need something to drive my tent stakes in with :mod2_hammer: LOL...

Seriously anyone have any experience with these clubs? It is ugly as sin, but it grows on you after a while...kinda like a V/Wee!


I have only one instance of contact with the Hi-Point .45 and it wasn't positive. The trigger was nice however.
My dad picked a brand new one up for a trunk gun and we took it out to the range to check reliability.

Out of 50 shots we fired through the new gun I personally had no less than 8 double feeds. Not very confidence inspiring for me. Of course, I don't know if he cleaned and lubricated the gun prior to our outing so that may be the culprit. Still, in my opinion with the limited exposure to Hi-point handguns I have, I would not rely on that bugger for PD.

Speaking of ugly, I carry a glock. No FTF's or FTE's ever. 1000's of rounds later through my 9mm's and .45's with nary a hiccup.

[Qakka]

Hi Guys and Gals
I have been following this thread for awhile and find that it is interesting because down here "down under" we are not allowed to carry guns at all except if we belong to the
"1% ers" Even then they are not suppoosed to--but does not seem to bother some of them to circumvent the law. However what you guys prefer or not prefer when you go camping makes interestin reading
Cheers Qakka "Len"

[Warhammer]

Hi Guys and Gals
I have been following this thread for awhile and find that it is interesting because down here "down under" we are not allowed to carry guns at all except if we belong to the
"1% ers" Even then they are not suppoosed to--but does not seem to bother some of them to circumvent the law. However what you guys prefer or not prefer when you go camping makes interestin reading
Cheers Qakka "Len"

I thought you at least had access to "hunting" arms. Can you not take a rifle or shotgun with you when camping well outside of populated areas?

[Qakka]

Limited to ceratin individuals.
Believe there to be a law about carrying knives also---I do not know where I stand when I load up the camper with carving knives etc---hopefully it would be down to commonsense on the part of the law ---- rifles may be allowed but hand-guns of any kind are a definite no-no.

I am not sure that we need them---
Pretty hard to hit a spider at 30 mtres and they would be about the most dangerous thing we have .Snakes generally move away from you rather than toward .
You can probably still have rifles (not hand guns) for shooting purposes but people do not to have rifles just for the sake of it around the homes etc.

Having said that ----there is some pretty rugged people around that we may need protection from.
So to take a "boomstick " when you go camping is interesting reading .
Of course we do not "have the right to bear arms"
There was a time when we could take a rifle with us for shooting feral pigs and kangaroos --not even sure w eneeded a licence then but we were younger --- and cannot run fast enough now to out run the pigs etc so don't go shooting either . Guess you could get a licence for this if you needed now .
Cheers Len

[mongoslow]

i drooled all over a puma lever action saddle carbine the other day chamberd for a .45 long colt, not a carry gun but would be fun around camp and if needed a .45 lc packs a hell of wallop down range :cool:

[dancer]

Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan SS revolver in .44 Rem. Mag. loaded with SinterFire frangible (Reduced Hazard V-Force leadfree) 180-grain .44 Special reloaded ammo.

[sakebato]

My glock 20. Great all around gun.

[AncientMariner]

AMT backup or .32 revolver. One of my three .32s turned out to be a POS. The H&R. S&W & Ruger are okay. AMT wasn't as "stainless" as hoped after several days in a tank bag.

[wheelspin63]

Smith 4013 (Performance Center tuned) .40 Federal hollow points. Sweet, compact and accurate.

[ozart]

Spurless ruger sp101 357. Much more versatile than any auto.

[oremike]

Update: Sold off the Sig P-220 and now carry a Springfield SD service model in .45acp. Darned thing will shoot standard velocity ball ammo better than my hand built Randall 1911. For just plinking we take the .22 pistols. The wife's got a Ruger MkII heavy tapered target model and I've got the Hammerelli Trailside with a 2X Nikon.

[wheelspin63]

Mike, did you like your Sig? I had one that broke in less than 500 rounds. Takedown tab spun 180 degrees, gouged the slide and rendered gun useless. Horrible experience with Sig getting it repaired, promptly sold at a loss, of course!

[ghostrider66]

I carry a Glock 19 on me and this is tucked somewhere safe at camp.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii64/dakotasdad_album/100_1208.jpg

I don't bring all the magazines with me just a couple.

Anthony

Only in America!!!!

[oremike]

Mike, did you like your Sig? I had one that broke in less than 500 rounds. Takedown tab spun 180 degrees, gouged the slide and rendered gun useless. Horrible experience with Sig getting it repaired, promptly sold at a loss, of course!

I never had a problem with the Sig, it would shoot anything I could stuff in the tube. I got offered what I thought was a ridiculous price so I sold it and bought the XD and put a hundred bucks in my pocket.

[dancer]

... The wife's got a Ruger MkII heavy tapered target model and I've got the Hammerelli Trailside with a 2X Nikon.

And your opinion of the Hammerli Trailside? They're new enough that I've not seen many reviews. Haven't been able to get my hands on one. A dealer will order but not as cheaply as Internet sources. I don't want to commit to a pig in a poke. Accuracy is supposed to be great, but with both the 4.5" and 6" barrel? Info appreciated about your comparisons and opinions, including durability.

[Valentine]

[QUOTE=

For those of you who would not or, due to the laws of your country/state/etc..., can't defend yourselves, let me preemptively say that this is not a "debate about gun ownership" thread. So please, before you pop off, just keep it to yourself.

For those of you that are afraid or not allowed to carry a gun, there is an alternative. I carry, among other things, a heavy, extendable metal baton such as shown at [URL="http://www.bladeplay.com/item--21-Extendable-Steel--3238"]. They are legal in most places and they never run out of bullets.

[Warhammer]

[QUOTE=

For those of you who would not or, due to the laws of your country/state/etc..., can't defend yourselves, let me preemptively say that this is not a "debate about gun ownership" thread. So please, before you pop off, just keep it to yourself.

For those of you that are afraid or not allowed to carry a gun, there is an alternative. I carry, among other things, a heavy, extendable metal baton such as shown at [URL="http://www.bladeplay.com/item--21-Extendable-Steel--3238"]. They are legal in most places and they never run out of bullets.

Actually, most states do classify an "Asp" or baton as an illegal weapon. Which state are you in?

[fstreed]

I like my old Ruger GP100, 4" barrel, fixed sights, stainless. For prairie dogs and rock chucks I like my Thompson Center Contender with various barrels and scopes, a 14" bull barrel in 7MM TCU with a 5X Burris being a favorite. It's not something to haul around on a V-Strom though. The hood of a PU truck, couple sandbags, and some open country, it's perfect.

[Warhammer]

... The hood of a PU truck, couple sandbags, and some open country, it's perfect.

Maybe I'm remembering it wrong (it's been 11 years), but I thought you weren't allowed to shoot within XX feet of your vehicle in Oregon, let alone use your vehicle as a rest. Or maybe that's just for deer hunting? I'm probably getting the rule mixed up...

[fstreed]

Maybe I'm remembering it wrong (it's been 11 years), but I thought you weren't allowed to shoot within XX feet of your vehicle in Oregon, let alone use your vehicle as a rest. Or maybe that's just for deer hunting? I'm probably getting the rule mixed up...

Deer hunting it is definitely illegal, I'm not sure about otherwise. It probably is. OK, I'll amend my testimony to state "from across a mobile shooting platform." ;)

[oremike]

And your opinion of the Hammerli Trailside? They're new enough that I've not seen many reviews. Haven't been able to get my hands on one. A dealer will order but not as cheaply as Internet sources. I don't want to commit to a pig in a poke. Accuracy is supposed to be great, but with both the 4.5" and 6" barrel? Info appreciated about your comparisons and opinions, including durability.

I bought mine on the recommendation of someone that was on the Seattle PD pistol team. His comment was it was the most accurate .22 right out of the box. I've not been disappointed. The factory target mine came with was shot at 25 meters and is a 10 shot 1/2" group. I know that was shot with good ammo and off a ransom rest but that's it's potential. I shoot mine quite a bit and clean it when the bolt/barrel faces get so gummed up I get a miss fire so probably every 500 rounds or so. It's a fun gun to take out to the range and let novice shooters shoot. Off the bench, at 7 yards anyone can keep the group size under an inch. I know big group and close range but to see someone thats lucky to keep his group in the black with his latest and greatest wonder 9 or 45 shoot a 1" group for the first time is priceless. I've owned a couple Brownings, Rugers, and S&W's, and a Walther P-22. I believe the Trailside to be the best of the batch. To do over again I'd get the 6" barrel model not because I think it's anymore accurate but because with the 4" barrel the end of the scope is even with the end of the barrel and the lens gets smokey and needs wiping off once in a while.

[ozart]

The factory target mine came with was shot at 25 meters and is a 10 shot 1/2" group. I know that was shot with good ammo and off a ransom rest but that's it's potential.

Hmm, I shoot consistant 3/4-1", 10 shot groups @ 25yds off sandbags with a browning buckmark target and federal classic ammo(regular stuff). It's also taken a few dozen squirrels at that range(head shots) with a 2x leupold on top.

[oremike]

Hmm, I shoot consistant 3/4-1", 10 shot groups @ 25yds off sandbags with a browning buckmark target and federal classic ammo(regular stuff). It's also taken a few dozen squirrels at that range(head shots) with a 2x leupold on top.

Sounds like you've got a keeper. FWIW my Trailside likes the Federal 40 gr Classic ammo best as well. I use mine to head shoot Grouse.

[fstreed]

Hmm, I shoot consistant 3/4-1", 10 shot groups @ 25yds off sandbags with a browning buckmark target and federal classic ammo(regular stuff). It's also taken a few dozen squirrels at that range(head shots) with a 2x leupold on top.

That is about what I used to get with my TC Contender with one of the early 10" octagon barrels in .22LR with various scopes. I firelapped the barrel using the compound available then from Veral Smith of LBT. Not sure the firelapping made it any more accurate but it sure made it easy to clean. I left that barrel in storage in WV when we moved out here. I never shot it too much, I concentrated mostly on a 14" 7MM TCU with cast bullets from an LBT custom cut mold. I also have a 14" barrel in .223 Rem. that is nice, groups around 1" or slightly bigger at 100 yards, sometimes (rarely :D) a bit under an inch if I was having a real good day. I don't shoot much anymore, no time and different interests, but used to do a lot of handloading and target shooting.

[ozart]

fstreed, I think the TC contender is my all time favorite and versatile long gun. I had the survival kit(synthetic rifle stock & forearm, 16" bbl, carrying case) in .223 & .45LC/.410 shotty topped off with a 2x7 leupold(can you tell leupold is my favorite optics?). The .223 can be loaded anywhere from non explosive squirrel getters(food), to explosive varmint loads(fun), to deer(neck or head shot required for 100% takedown). I had varmint loads under 1/2" @ 100yds. The .45LC can be loaded to .44mag power and higher with the right brass. Makes a great brush gun. The .410 shotty will take fowl & other small game close range. This setup along with a .22LR BBL & ammo available would be the perfect survival gun IMO.
Also had the TC pistol in 14" .223 & 10" 30/30. Didn't care for them too much. Although accurate(especially the 30/30), they were a handful and muzzle blast was ugh ...
I'm like you, don't shoot or hunt much anymore. My dillon 550 has loaded a minumum of several hundred thousand rounds(formerly a USPSA limited middle A-class competitor), but hasn't seen action in many years now.

[Black Lab]

What do you pack for self defense or just for fun while camping?

A smile. A kind word. A camera.

It's worked for 52 years.

If that somehow fails me someday, then so be it.

[dancer]

A smile. A kind word. A camera.

It's worked for 52 years.

If that somehow fails me someday, then so be it.

I like your camera work! So be it.

[denver6]

Like others have posted, I just picked up a Ruger LCP. Now I need to get my CCW.

[fstreed]

fstreed, I think the TC contender is my all time favorite and versatile long gun.

Never shot the Contender as a long gun, just a pistol. Loved it. There is just something about shooting a pistol that is as accurate as most rifles. Muzzle blast can be ferocious in the Contender. I think that is one of the reasons I liked cast bullets, I kept them fairly mild, although I don't think I would have a problem taking a deer with one, I have driven them at over 2000 fps. I seemed to get best accuracy at around 1600-1750 fps, using powders ranging from SR4759 to W748 to IMR4064.

I used to shoot a little Speer 115 gr. hollow point for prairie dogs that was simply explosive and very accurate. I had an old Harley riding outlaw with me one time when I pulled the trigger on a prairie dog about 100 yards out. The dog was standing under a barbed wire fence and the impact flipped him about 6 or 8 feet into the air and when he came down he ended up wrapped around the top strand of wire. We walked over to check it out. Nothing was left of the squirrel but the head, a long piece of skin, and the back feet and tail. My friend, who usually didn't have much to say, looked it over and then commented "that high-falutin' SOB shoots 'em, guts 'em, and then hangs 'em up to dry, all at the same time."

[Maxxalator]

berretta 92, 9mm, high capacity mag,
when i used to live in the desert always had my AK47 in/near the truck, remote areas in the SW=drug running.

[rjwinz]

I don't bring a broomstick; do not know how to fly one. Bet that Canadian gal and her buds bring theirs.

[Warhammer]

I don't bring a broomstick; do not know how to fly one. Bet that Canadian gal and her buds bring theirs.

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused::confused:

[garandman]

Smith 4013 (Performance Center tuned) .40 Federal hollow points. Sweet, compact and accurate.That's a great pistol. I have a 3913 that I've gone back to after trying several other brands and models. Paid $250 back when everyone was ranking on S&W for the "agreement." Even used it for a three day courese at Sig Sauer Academy, to their chagrin.

http://dervish.smugmug.com/photos/669650702_asdGq-M.jpg

[Phodius]

My personal carry-gun is a Taurus 85SS loaded with 125grn semi-jacketed hollow point in 38 spl +P. I've never felt the need for anything bigger in terms of either calibre or bulk.

[rjwinz]

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused::confused:

It was a joke. Went for laugh. No get.

[ozart]

My personal carry-gun is a Taurus 85SS loaded with 125grn semi-jacketed hollow point in 38 spl +P. I've never felt the need for anything bigger in terms of either calibre or bulk.

Nice gun. Favorite loads for my sp101s are magsafe 52gr (http://magsafeonline.com/magnum_performance.html), #9 birdshot (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=313962), 125gr JHP, and 158gr JHP. Each have their purpose.

[jar3316]

Never really thought about it much but I guess I haven't taken my guns with me on the bike. my freinds generally have enough to go around but when i take my 4x4 out I always have a 44 and my sawed off 12 guage with buck and deer slug. I was out in south AZ when we came across some poor people who had been camping and some punks came in the night held them at gun point and took most of their gear and their 2 trucks. left them to die out their. we happened to see their fire and thought we would stop and say hi. turns out two of them were hiking out (we found them the next day) but they had been there 2 days. cant imagine what would have happened if we hadnt stopped. but also gives you the creeps about just walking up to someones campfire, what if it hade been the other guy ya know :yikes:

[fredellarby]

Unlawful to carry since my retirement but preference has always been for a mid size frame Glock in 40 cal. I've never had any pfoblems with them.

Jeff cooper once told the story of an FBI agent in his class who asked if she could continue to carry her .380 as she was used to it and found it comfortable. He replied "sure, but don't shoot anybody with it. If you do, you'll make them mad and they'll hurt you."

The police are bound to follow a "use of force continuum" . That is they must respond with only as much force as needed. The same applies to civilians in Canada. If you are only carrying a gun, you are missing what might be more appropriate force responses, ie: baton, pepper spray. When I carried a gun, I also carried an expandable baton and flexcuffs. Cuffs because eventually you have to shoot somebody or start fighting again unless you can secure them.

You can attach 2 flexcuffs to the inside of your belt with little dabs of glue that
will pull right off.

[Strom Chaser]

A sense of humour?

[jwt]

I've got the large calibers covered. The taurus compact .32 magnum have caught my interest. They're almost too adorable not to own one.

[Smellyhound]

I've got the large calibers covered. The taurus compact .32 magnum have caught my interest. They're almost too adorable not to own one.
I have a little Beretta .25 auto pocket pistol. I need a new clip for it, but that little bugger sure is fun to shoot. I'm hoping the wife gets the hint this Christmas and I get a new Springfield XD in .45:thumbup:

[jwt]

I have a little Beretta .25 auto pocket pistol. I need a new clip for it, but that little bugger sure is fun to shoot. I'm hoping the wife gets the hint this Christmas and I get a new Springfield XD in .45:thumbup:

Yea, those beretta .25's are neato. Wouldn't mind having one to plink around with. Well, I put $100 down on a smith and wesson airlight 432pd .32 magnum. It was too cute to leave in the store. I pick it up next week because of the waiting period. I called 10 stores and luckily the 11th store had .32 h&r magnum ammo. The ammo shortage is profound around here, but like many others I stocked up when the political winds started blowing in the maoist fairy direction.

[Warhammer]

.32's and .25's are fine, but for a REAL pocket pistol, you have to get a Ruger SSCP .180 ACP (http://www.realguns.com/archives/192.htm)!
http://www.realguns.com/images/palmszrger.jpg

[Big B]

Will be getting a Glock 19 in the "very" near future....and it will be going pretty much everywhere with me.

[Fatstrat]

My constant companion these days is a S&W M/P .40c.
I made the switch from Glock because the changeable grip on the Smitty made for a way better fit for my small hands.

[Big B]

My constant companion these days is a S&W M/P .40c.
I made the switch from Glock because the changeable grip on the Smitty made for a way better fit for my small hands.

Hmmmmmmm.....I too have small hands and the Glock fits me perfect. The M/P's are nice guns, but I much prefer the revolvers by Smitty.

[Warhammer]

Hmmmmmmm.....I too have small hands and the Glock fits me perfect. The M/P's are nice guns, but I much prefer the revolvers by Smitty.

It's been my experience that Glocks either fit you or don't; there's no in between. I really would like to get a Glock, but they feel horrible in my hand and just don't point naturally for me at all. I wear a size medium glove, and have long palms and short fingers. I'm looking at an XDm for my next handgun, although I'll probably get a Romanian PSL (really been wanting one for a while!) before I get another handgun.

[jwt]

It's been my experience that Glocks either fit you or don't; there's no in between. I really would like to get a Glock, but they feel horrible in my hand and just don't point naturally for me at all. I wear a size medium glove, and have long palms and short fingers. I'm looking at an XDm for my next handgun, although I'll probably get a Romanian PSL (really been wanting one for a while!) before I get another handgun.

I agree about the glocks. I like my glock 27 for what it is, but at the range it's comfort is far less than ideal. So I got an extremely comfortable usp .40 and my glock sees no action. It's like shaking hands with a brick.

[T3/T4 Hybrid]

Will be getting a Glock 19 in the "very" near future....and it will be going pretty much everywhere with me.


My 27 has been a constant companion for the last 15 years. Very easy to shot and easy to take care of. I really like the K.I.S.S. of a Glock.

[Warhammer]

It's like shaking hands with a brick.

Yep! That's exactly how I'd describe it. I'm not a Glock hater by any means. They are good guns. They just have horrible ergonomics, especially when compared to a USP, XD, XDm, M&P, CZ, 24/7, FN...

[ShirleyD]

I like my Tricked out Colt Commander that I have had since my time in the Navy(US). I live in both Canada & the US, I have 5 CCW 'sfrom US states. It is not illegal to carry a shotgun in Canada if you have PAL (fac-Firearms licence) & some Provinces also require a Hunting licence when you are camping. I do when ever I am camping or in the bush up here.

[Big B]

Yep! That's exactly how I'd describe it. I'm not a Glock hater by any means. They are good guns. They just have horrible ergonomics, especially when compared to a USP, XD, XDm, M&P, CZ, 24/7, FN...

Putting a down payment on a 19 tomorrow, I think they feel great...almost natural in my hand. For a "really" good conceal carry or do it all gun, the new Taurus PT709 slim is really nice, that may be getting added in the near future. Funny how much different guns feel to each individual person.

[Warhammer]

Putting a down payment on a 19 tomorrow, I think they feel great...almost natural in my hand. For a "really" good conceal carry or do it all gun, the new Taurus PT709 slim is really nice, that may be getting added in the near future. Funny how much different guns feel to each individual person.

Yeah, some guns feel great to one person and horrible to another. I haven't gotten to see one of the new Taurus "slims" in person, but they look pretty cool from what I've read.

[Judd]

Normal everyday carry is a P3AT and it usually goes on USA trips too. On some trips I also take my G36. I'm really think hard about picking up a used G21, change the recoil spring and load it up with .45 Super as a bear gun. I know it isn't quite a .44 Mag or a Casull but the upper loading of the 45 Super will get well above the 10mm/41Mag range. Figure around 700-800ftlbs with a fairly heavy bullet. Black bear fodder for sure,,, Grizzly,,,,,, well maybe it will make em close their eyes long enough for me to get away.:confused::green_lol:

For trips running through Canada I think I'm going to get a scabbard for my cheapie Maverick with a folding stock. Gonna mount it between the front fairing and the engine guard. Best that I can tell is that the folding stock is cool as long as the shotgun meets minimum length and it does. Lock it through the trigger guard unloaded when in civilization. Unlock it and load it when in the boonies and once in Alaska. A 12gauge with slugs will definetly make a grizzly blink! A 12 gauge with Buck will handle two legged vermin quite well.

[ozart]

I've owned 2 glocks, still got the M22, sold the M17 long time ago. Between the two, I've probably run 2500 rounds through'm, much more 9mm than 40cal.
Overall they're great guns, point well (for me), shoot well (with the right ammo), very easy takedown, very little maintenance, tough as nails, light weight, great safety, and reliable (with the right ammo). I wouldn't hesitate to rely on one for defense, but wouldn't make it my first choice. There's a few niggling things I don't like about them, some of which are ironically caused by their better features.

Spoungey trigger, lacks 'feel'. There's really nothing that can be done about it (that I know of). I grew up with 1911s and revolvers, so I'll probably always be a trigger snob.

The first to last shot balance. With a full mag, it feels good and balanced, but as you get to the final rounds, it gets noticeably muzzle heavy. Probably not a big factor in defense, but enough to affect my scores in action shooting competition.

The 2 things above can really affect your accuracy unless you take the time to compensate between shots. Rapid fire accuracy is not the glocks strong point.

While the hex barrel (lands, no grooves) is great with jacketed ammo, it does not like lead at all. For some reason, lead bullets smear and streak the whole length of the barrel, eventually building up residue to the point of causing dangerous pressure levels. Again, not an issue with defense, but if you do alot of practice shooting (which you should), it gets mighty expensive with jacketed rounds, even if you do your own loading.

Some of the early model mags were not steel lined. As the mag was loaded, it would swell enough to not drop the mag when released. If I remember right, you had to be down to the last 2 or 3 rounds and even then sometimes you had to pull the mag out. Glock claimed this was by design to keep from accidently dropping a partialy loaded mag. This prooved to be highly unpopular (and rightly so) and have since been corrected with the metal lining to prevent swelling. I think these were mostly M17 mags as the other models weren't out yet before they changed it. Just be aware that there may still be some of these mags out there on the used market, especialy M17 ones.

The glock could probably be banged and bumped around while fully loaded and ready to fire without much risk of discharge. I wouldn't want to try that with a cocked and locked pre 80 series 1911. The glock would probably make a better camp gun in that regard. Kinda like a timex, takes a licking ...

Well there's my opinion of the early model glocks, for what it's (not)worth. Not sure if they've made any changes in recent years. If so some of this might not apply.

[Smellyhound]

As per my urgent telegraph sent to Santa I have received funding for a new Springfield XD45 in 4 inch with the duty sized grip (didnt like the compact with the 10 round mag and extended mag). Since our Christmas was delayed due to my sons leave not starting until the 29th, I didnt get to obtain the gun until the 4th.

It's a real honey to shoot. 25 yards is a bit of a stretch with about 8-10inch groups. This tightened up considerably at 12.5 yards and brought it into a nice 4" group. All things said out of the box of 50 rounds I put through it, I only had 3 stray rounds not in the K5 silhouette. Realistically I got it for personal protection and since most confrontations are 21 feet or less, this should do quite nicely IMHO. Of course now comes the compulsion to buy more, more more. Gonna have to put in some overtimeI guess.

[zzzzip]

No gun needed for me.... I just ugly them to death.

[ozart]

No gun needed for me.... I just ugly them to death.

:mrgreen: Comes in handy when squirrel hunting, doesn't tear the meat up.

[Warhammer]

:mrgreen: Comes in handy when squirrel hunting, doesn't tear the meat up.

Yeah, but it leaves them with a nasty flavor!

[ozart]

Yeah, but it leaves them with a nasty flavor!

That's what bacon is for. I've heard you can even make a turd taste good wrapped with it.

[Warhammer]

That's what bacon is for. I've heard you can even make a turd taste good wrapped with it.

LOL! I'll let you test that theory out. Get back to us and tell us how well it works. Although I do agree that bacon does make just about everything better!

[ozart]

LOL! I'll let you test that theory out. Get back to us and tell us how well it works. Although I do agree that bacon does make just about everything better!

I've had plenty of duck and grouse, that's close enough.
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You can't beat a revolver for its utility. It's kinda the vstrom of handguns, does everything well. They are simple, rugged, durable, reliable, doesn't care what type of load or bullet profile you feed them. There's no safeties to mess with, just draw/grab, point, and fire. Custom grips can be had to fit almost any hand. Enough can't be said about their versatility.

Some people fault them for their capacity. No doubt cases can be made for the 5-6 round limit before reload, but for a camp gun, I'll take one over the autoloader any day.

Mine have dwindled over the years to just these few.
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu104/artheritus/revolvers.jpg

[BrewSkee]

My usual carry is a Smith & Wesson M&P 40 with 155 grain Silvertips. Good gun, light weight with reasonable capacity (15 rounds), but the trigger does take some getting used to.

[zenart]

Please don't take this as being critical, I'm Australian, and we don't have as many weapons floating about as in the US. I've used weapons in the military. From some of the posts, if I ever do go camping in the US, I might get a modified M61 cannon for the V-Strom. There must be a lot of lead flying about camping grounds in the US, from folk not used to handling arms. I believe in having more lead going out than incoming.
za

[Warhammer]

Please don't take this as being critical, I'm Australian, and we don't have as many weapons floating about as in the US. I've used weapons in the military. From some of the posts, if I ever do go camping in the US, I might get a modified M61 cannon for the V-Strom. There must be a lot of lead flying about camping grounds in the US, from folk not used to handling arms. I believe in having more lead going out than incoming.
za

You clearly didn't read the first post in this thread. Let me help you out with that:
For those of you who would not or, due to the laws of your country/state/etc..., can't defend yourselves, let me preemptively say that this is not a "debate about gun ownership" thread. So please, before you pop off, just keep it to yourself.

Thank you for your time.:neutral:

[ozart]

From some of the posts, if I ever do go camping in the US, I might get a modified M61 cannon for the V-Strom.

Damn man, no wonder y'all ain't allowed to have guns over there. :mrgreen:

[zenart]

You clearly didn't read the first post in this thread. Let me help you out with that:


Thank you for your time.:neutral:

Sorry mate,

I did read the first post and I fail to see how you can take any anti-gun message from mine. If there was I apologise. I'm all in favour of the right to bear arms.

The point I was making was that some of the posters seemed more likely to shoot themselves or some innocent from their comments, and if that is the way they are in national parks and camping grounds I'll make sure I'm armed to the teeth to protect me and mine. Its such a waste being taken out by friendly fire.

So I'm sorry for any upset I caused you.

za:weapons_80:

[mountainmeterman]

I see many mentions of semi-autos for this purpose. My most prized handgun is a Kimber Stainless II, based on the Browining 1911 design, chambered for 45ACP, with Ed Brown bobtail treatment and extended thumb safety. However, for self-defense in environments that can be abusive to firearms, I'll choose a relatively simple and reliable revolver. I have a Taurus snubnose 357mag that suits the job well. If weight, compactness, and concealment are not issues, I'll choose my Taurus 6" 357mag. Strictly FWIW.

[MrA_K8]

My Boomstick of choice is either my Taurus PT-99 or my Springfield 1911-A1.

And no there are not many stray bullets flying all over the place in our national parks. Those who wish to do us harm are cowardly and will sneak into your camp site and try to quietly do you no good. The vast majority of us that carry are law abiding and responsible. No offense to any posters here.

[zenart]

My Boomstick of choice is either my Taurus PT-99 or my Springfield 1911-A1.

And no there are not many stray bullets flying all over the place in our national parks. Those who wish to do us harm are cowardly and will sneak into your camp site and try to quietly do you no good. The vast majority of us that carry are law abiding and responsible. No offense to any posters here.

So if I visited the US could I buy a weapon if I was going into a wilderness area. Do you need a license or any background checks. ID I'd imagine would be necessary.

za

[garandman]

Please don't take this as being critical, I'm Australian, and we don't have as many weapons floating about as in the US. I've used weapons in the military. From some of the posts, if I ever do go camping in the US, I might get a modified M61 cannon for the V-Strom. There must be a lot of lead flying about camping grounds in the US, from folk not used to handling arms. I believe in having more lead going out than incoming.
zaI agree that many young men who avoided military service display a peculiar fascination with firearms.

That said, how is it possible that anyone could not take this as critical, despite your disclaimer? Please don't take this as critical, but citizens of Commonwealth countries always look at Americans as less developed than you tea drinkers and always have a superior solution to everything. In these parts we stopped caring on March 17th, 1776.

BTW the M61 Vulcan (which is manufactured in Burlington, VT) weighs about 250 lbs. Oh, wait a minute! You Australians have mastered the art of sarcasm, something we loutish Americans can't comprehend. Don't worry, everyone, he didn't really mean it.

So if I visited the US could I buy a weapon if I was going into a wilderness area. No.

Do you need a license or any background checks. ID I'd imagine would be necessary.It varies by state, type of firearm you want to purchase, and how it is carried.

If you are seriously contemplating a trip to wilderness areas of the US, please start your own thread.

[zenart]

Sorry mate,

You are adding up 2 and 2 and getting 42.

I'll stay off this thread from now on.

za

[garandman]

Good bye and thanks for all the fish!

[zenart]

Good bye and thanks for all the fish!

lol

good one.

I'm off.

I know where my towel is.

za

[garandman]

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