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Old 09-27-2013, 07:54 PM
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Default 4 issues with the 2012-2013 V-Strom 650.

There are many things that I like about my 2012 V-Strom 650 Adventure. I could go on and on about the ride, relaxed riding position, fuel economy, support, accessories.. all those and then some. However there are a few issues that I feel could be looked at:
1. The parking position on the ignition. This feature, in my opinion does more harm than good. I can understand wanting to be seen if for some reason you're on the side of the road at night. But it's too easy to turn the key too far and forget that you've just turned your lights on without knowing in daylight hours. After a few hours your dealing with a dead battery. At least have a timed switch so everything goes off in only a few hours without draining your battery.
2. Size of the ignition key....It's HUGE. Any reason for that?
3. Key to the hard cases. I love those cases but the keys to the locks are too flimsy. You could make a more durable key and easier lock.
4. Kind of tall. A good percentage of riders on the V-Strom have issues with the height of the bike. Could it be possible to have an option to have the bike lowered an inch or so from the factory? I know on some of the BMW models there is a option to have a lowered bike and/or lower seat. Along with the bike would come with a lowered kickstand and a lowered center stand. This would suit a larger range of riders who are turned off by the height of the bike.

You folks a Suzuki have built a bike worthy of the praises that we've seen and read. These are my four biggest issues about a bike that is already wonderful but could be even better.
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Old 09-28-2013, 12:00 AM
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There is a lower seat option from Suzuki.

Also it's a budget bike from Suzuki, they were never going to offer BMW like range of accessories for it!

Did not some of you short riders look at and/or sit/ride on the bike before buying it?

You might get some ideas about lowering options from the Strom Sisters section, as often its the girls that have problems with tall bikes.

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Old 09-28-2013, 10:04 AM
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Old 09-28-2013, 07:25 PM
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There is a lower seat option from Suzuki. Yes, I know there is a lower seat from Suzuki but a lowered bike would also help to get a wider range of riders.

Also it's a budget bike from Suzuki, they were never going to offer BMW like range of accessories for it! Hence my suggestion. Just because it's a "budget bike" it doesn't mean that they can't offer a wide range of accessories.

Did not some of you short riders look at and/or sit/ride on the bike before buying it? Not really a "short" rider but I did sit on the V-Strom 650 but was not allowed to ride it per dealership rules. If you read some of my other posts you can get an idea of what I was wondering before buying the V-Strom 650.

You might get some ideas about lowering options from the Strom Sisters section, as often its the girls that have problems with tall bikes. I do have a response for you but I'm afraid if I post it the Moderators will boot me out.

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Old 09-28-2013, 09:52 PM
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Suzuki should offer a lowering kit that changes the forks internally like they do on the DR650.

I'm surprised they don't. The DR650 is very much so a "budget" bike and its easy to lower it with OEM parts designed for that purpose. Its odd that the DL650 does not have that option since they share very similar forks.
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The key dislike by a few has been around since the beginning. I like the big bodacious key cus it's easy to find in my pocket.
I buy a motorcycle that fits. Lower the bike and then complain about reduced clearance in the corners.
Some folks, like my mom, would complain about being hung with a new rope.
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Old 09-28-2013, 10:33 PM
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The key dislike by a few has been around since the beginning. I like the big bodacious key cus it's easy to find in my pocket.
I buy a motorcycle that fits. Lower the bike and then complain about reduced clearance in the corners.
Some folks, like my mom, would complain about being hung with a new rope.
I wasn't complaining I was just offering suggestions, there is a difference.
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Use the google box at the top of the screen for your suggestion and you will find plenty of other have had your same concerns.
Those observations have seemingly gone unnoticed by Suzuki corporate.
Having read it several times from those who have the same opinion as you it starts to sound like complaints.
Seriously, I found this bike superior to many of the BMW's I've had. The light problem is in answer to European needs where a parking light must be lit when parked. Personally I don't turn the key that far to experience the problem. I leave other things turned on to drain the battery. Like my multiple GPS and heated grips. Mea Culpa.
The key is a monster cus it works well that way.
I had no problem with the factory bags I had. They don't hold up real well in a spectacular crash but hey, they're only plastic.
The bike is tall, for some, because it is supposed to be a pseudo adventure bike.
Think the DL is tall? Get on the new BMW 800 Adv of the 1200 Adv.
Those dudes are Ginormous!
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Old 09-29-2013, 02:04 AM
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Um, I am not understanding the hostility here, just offering some feedback for you


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Yes, I know there is a lower seat from Suzuki but a lowered bike would also help to get a wider range of riders.
I don't think Suzuki designed this bike to be low. I am sure if they wanted it to be a low road only bike they would have deigned it this way. Since it was released, the V-Strom has always been aimed directly to the adventure bike market, and this sort of riding needs the extra clearance. I am sure Suzuki are getting many more riders because of this.

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Hence my suggestion. Just because it's a "budget bike" it doesn't mean that they can't offer a wide range of accessories.
Actually yes it does, and for the price range that this bike is targeted at, I think Suzuki offer way more accessories than they really should. Three different seat heights is pretty good, as well as many of the other bits they offer. Plus Suzuki know there is a massive aftermarket following for their V-Stoms, so why would they make a heap of accessories just so people can complain how much genuine stuff is?

Also to make the bike adjustable to suit a multitude of heights, means that they would have had to make suspension linkage that is adjustable, and the ability to change the front to go with it. You can't just change the rake/trail and suspension travel of a bike and think that it's ridable off the floor, let alone cover liability. The aftermarket guys get away with this, as you choose to fit the accessories, but if Suzuki were to offer the lowered options they would have to make a bike that is fully compliant in each of the height configurations. Which will add cost to the bike, just so short riders are happy

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Not really a "short" rider but I did sit on the V-Strom 650 but was not allowed to ride it per dealership rules. If you read some of my other posts you can get an idea of what I was wondering before buying the V-Strom 650.
You should have made sure to get one arranged, or go to one of their demo days? Or alternatively there are many older models out there, the frame is still the same, so this would have given you an idea of the Stroms height. Plus if you could handle the older 650, you would have no problems with the new shape, as it is smaller and lighter.

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I do have a response for you but I'm afraid if I post it the Moderators will boot me out.
This was just a suggestion, as it is often a topic of discussion amongst ladies. Most of my female riding friends have had to do some sort of lowering to their bikes due to being too short. Sometimes from getting the seat changed, different linkages, and in some cases even getting their boots raised in height!

Maybe you could try that trick!
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Having bought a new 2012 650 ABS last year, I largely agree with your assessment.
And, discovering that this board seems unusually "emotional" when the bike is criticized, I will take care in how I temper this post:
I sat on the bike in the showroom, but was NOT allowed to ride it (4 out of 4 dealers would NOT allow me to ride the V Strom prior to purchase). So, on faith, I bought the bike feeling comfortable with the seat height initially. But, I soon discovered that it was not just seat height alone, but rather high CENTER OF GRAVITY was the issue. This bike has a high CG, plus a long wheelbase, which makes it easy for shorter riders to lose low speed control, and drop the bike. Fortunately, I have not done that yet, but have come close quite often. Two things I miss from my former Hondas: a "common key" system for both ignition and luggage, and, a better sense of low speed balance (IMHO, that is Honda's forte). In addition, I would suggest that the low seat option (which I bought) does help somewhat, but the trade off is that the low seat is far less comfortable (IMO) than the stock seat. A refinement I would like to see: slightly WIDER gear ratios from 1st to 6th. I'd like just a bit LOWER first gear, and a bit more overdriven 6th (for less buzzy higher cruising). Overall, this bike is a GREAT piece of engineering, and a beautiful machine. For anyone with an inseam of let's say 30 to 31 inches or greater, it is perfect. Shorter, OLDER riders, like me, would probably be better off with a lower CG machine. I am not planning to keep my bike as I don't feel confident of low speed control, but that is a RATIONAL decision, not an emotional one.
After all, it is a machine....That being said, I am not going to beat myself up for making an error purchasing the bike. I had not had an issue with high CG bikes in the past (i.e. I never owned one !!). So, this is just testimony that might help others when evaluating what bike is best for them.

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