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Old 11-02-2012, 03:48 AM
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Default Are daytime LED driving lights legal in au?

After seeing euro cars around with daytime LED driving lights & how they stand out I found some 3watt 110 lumen on flea bay for $6 for the pair!
Set them up on the wee & I rekon they they do the job well for the $- photo taken with a some cloud cover.
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So the question is are these going to attract the of the boys in blue.
Yes I know they are not standards approved etc but at 3w 110 lumens are they going to give a stuff?
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Old 11-02-2012, 06:29 AM
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No.

That's the simple answer, more complex, make sure you can switch them off and it's unlikely you'll get pinged for them unless they are annoyingly bright.

You are allowed a pair of driving lights, but they have to be switched and wired to the high beam circuit. Not a lot of use daytime.


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Old 11-02-2012, 07:05 AM
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I agree with what Pete said regarding the switching required plus you can also have fog lights on a switch (for foggy or low visibility road conditions of course) but using any extra lights to intentionally blind or flash oncoming drivers is a offence,
I would hope that "visibility" lights that improve the chance of a motorcycle being seen from a distance (much better than a flouro vest) would not be shunned by our law enforcers!
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Old 11-02-2012, 08:10 AM
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Would these LEDs actually do anything for improving visibility - after all the headlights are already your DRLs.
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Old 11-02-2012, 09:45 AM
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Hold on a second.

May be a few wires crossed here.......

Just to go over a few definitions of various lights(based on my reading of the Qld legals):

Low beam - normal low beam, allowed to be used at any time(including daylight).

High beam - normal high beam, allowed only to be used at night(there is an exemption for warning other road users of hazards during the day)

Auxilary lights - think like spotties, must be off when high beam is off, this is what I think was referred to as driving lights above. But they do need to be switched with the high beam....

Fog lights - white or yellow, positioned lower than normal lights with different beam pattern, must not be used in clear conditions, independantly switched, if any lights are able to be switched independantly of other lights they can be considered as "fog lights" and you can be pinged for using them the wrong way

Daytime Running Lights - additional low-power lights intended to make vehicle more visible, don't remember what the switching conditions are but possibly allowed to be on at all times ignition is on

So - looking at that list - I believe the OP was referring to DRLs, not auxilary lights.

DRLs are legal, but I believe you are only permitted to have one pair of them.

Thats based on TORUM (Queensland Tranport Operations - Road Use and Management) legislation.

FWIW - headlight modulators are permitted as long as they meet a couple of requirements.....

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Old 11-02-2012, 10:01 AM
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Just found the section about DRLs:

From http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LE...OpRUVSSR10.pdf :

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67 Daytime running lights
(1) A pair of daytime running lights may be fitted to a motor
vehicle.
(2) A pair of daytime running lights fitted to a motor vehicle with
4 or more wheels must be fitted with the centre of each lightó
(a) at least 600mm from the centre of the other light; and
(b) not over 510mm from the nearer side of the vehicle.
(3) However, a pair of daytime running lights fitted to a motor
vehicle under 1300mm wide may be fitted with the centre of
each light not under 400mm from the centre of the other light.
(4) When on, a daytime running light mustó
(a) show a white or yellow light visible from the front of the
vehicle; and
(b) not use over 25W.
(5) Daytime running lights must be wired so they are off when a
headlight, other than a headlight being used as a flashing
signal, is on.
(6) For subsection (3), the width of a motor vehicle is measured
disregarding any anti-skid device mounted on wheels, central
tyre inflation systems, lights, mirrors, reflectors, signalling
The sting is para 5 above - looks like they are legal, but strictly speaking, only if you disable the always-on low beams(they must consider the low beams to be the equivalent of DRLs).

What I've called Aux lights above seem to be referred to as "additional headlights", unless I've missed a section somewhere.

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legally:

are lights (whatever they are ) needs to be ADR approved for that purpose. ( i dont have a copy of what ADR65- but i think both DRL & parking lights need to comply with ADR for fitments to a road use vehicle)


From what i understand, you can have however have position/parking light fitted - and headlight can remain on

66 Parking lights
(1) A motor vehicle built after June 1953 must be fitted with—
(a) if it is a motortrike with 2 front wheels, other than a
moped, or a motor vehicle with 4 or more wheels—a
pair of parking lights; or
(b) if it is a motorbike with an attached sidecar, or a
motortrike with 1 front wheel, other than a moped—at
least 1 parking light.
(2) A pair of parking lights fitted to a motor vehicle with 4 or
more wheels must be fitted with the centre of each light—
(a) at least 600mm from the centre of the other light; and
(b) not over 510mm from the nearer side of the vehicle.
(3) However, a pair of parking lights fitted to a motor vehicle
under 1300mm wide may be fitted with the centre of each
light not under 400mm from the centre of the other light.
(4) A parking light fitted to a motortrike with 2 front wheels must
not be over 400mm from the nearer side of the vehicle.
(5) A parking light fitted to a motorbike with a sidecar must be
fitted not over 150mm from the side of the sidecar furthest
from the motorbike.
(6) When on, a parking light must—
(a) show a white or yellow light visible 200m from the front
of the motor vehicle; and
(b) not use over 7W.
(7) A parking light fitted to a motor vehicle built after 1969 must
be wired so the parking light is on when a headlight on the
vehicle is on.
( A parking light fitted to a sidecar attached to a motorbike
must be wired to operate when a headlight, tail-light or
parking light on the motorbike is on.


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Whether these are enforced or not depends on your luck though
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Old 11-03-2012, 01:06 AM
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Would these LEDs actually do anything for improving visibility - after all the headlights are already your DRLs.
Absolutely they improve visibility of bikes to other road users by about 10,000%

If you mount LED DRLs on the forks about where the reflectors are you get a triangle of light sources that is far more noticeable than the headlight(s) alone. If you simply mount the DRLs beside or immediately under the headlight(s) they have no effect.
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Old 11-03-2012, 01:40 AM
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Thanks. In Voyagerltd's case above they are beside the headlights that's why I wondered about being visible.
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I am not quite clear on whether the ADR's permit more than one pair of running lights on a vehicle.

A couple of 5w LED "parking" lights can put out a fair whack of light, and would be good with an ultra-wide spread (though contributing nothing useful to roadside illumination ~ and might even be mildly counter-productive during night riding in the country, owing to the close-up [but useless] flare effect causing the eyes' pupils to constrict to smaller than appropriate for distance vision).
Mind you, you would not want to leave them on while the bike is actually parked!

More ideally perhaps . . . a pair of wide-angle LED's as daytime "parking" lights [permitting simultaneous use of headlight low beam] and a pair of LED spotties to add a bit of spread to the headlight high beam?
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