Hi guys, I am moving to Australia from the USA in a couple days and need to replace my 2009 DL650 with a comparable commuter/touring machine. Is there any way I can get around these ridiculous LAMS restrictions? I don't have a US motorcycle license but I can provide evidence of riding experience (i.e. photographs of in-city commuting and long-distance road trips.)
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From what I can see more motorcycle deaths have occurred in Australia since the LAMS rules were initiated, despite car fatalities experiencing a decline over the same period. Is there any statistical data supporting the claim that reducing a motorcycle's top speed reduces their inherent danger to beginning riders? That doesn't seem logical to me. You'll get killed on a bike doing 40 miles an hour if you make a poor judgement call or are just unlucky that day.
Also, 12 months? How arbitrary is that?? :surprise:
His location says Sydney so I am guessing NSW.:laugh2: There are so many bike blitz's by the police over here that I would suggest that you would be lucky to get away with that here. I got pulled up only last week for breath test and license check in a very small village near here.
I don't have a US motorcycle license but I can provide evidence of riding experience (i.e. photographs of in-city commuting and long-distance road trips.)
SIDEBAR:
From what I can see more motorcycle deaths have occurred in Australia since the LAMS rules were initiated, despite car fatalities experiencing a decline over the same period. Is there any statistical data supporting the claim that reducing a motorcycle's top speed reduces their inherent danger to beginning riders? That doesn't seem logical to me. You'll get killed on a bike doing 40 miles an hour if you make a poor judgement call or are just unlucky that day.Also, 12 months? How arbitrary is that?? :surprise:
The increase in fatalities is mostly older blokes returning to riding who got licences 30 years ago and haven't ridden since that go into bike shops and buy 200hp 185kg rocket and throw it head on into a car a week later. 30 years ago bikes had wooden wheels and were powered by steam engines in comparison to what is available now so the idea of lams bike is to restrict riders to sensible power to weight ratio's to stop novice riders getting themselves into trouble. I went through the LAMS process a few years ago as i didn't have a bike licence and learned a lot.
I don't know what NSW rules are but in Queensland there is a Q Ride license training scheme which is so incredibly simple that you should have a license in a matter of days.
After answering 10 multi choice questions which you have to get 80% right all that is required is to demonstrate your riding competence to a private tester.
I understand the process costs around $400 and as it is competency based you can go back for re-testing many times until you "pass".
I think trying to find a "work around" of the rules would be a long and un-winnable battle.
So the next question is. "Who wants to go for a ride?" Knowing now that it is highly likely that you do not have a license and are therefore uninsured, should you cause another member injury to person or property, I doubt that there would be many takers.:serious:
How about getting a license in the US, and then transferring it to an Australian license? You might be able to get an unrestricted Aus license right away. It would be a lot less trouble than going through all the BS over here.
LAMS bikes are brilliant,should have gone through the 250 restriction then you'd have something to whine about.
Just a tip mate, when you visit a place it's best not to start with all the things that you can see that need fixing if we'd just listen to you,it's bad manners at best and :|:|:|:|ing irritating in general.
Oh and while were at it do some research before you start slagging off,there is nothing about speed limiting in any part of the LAMS system it is based on a power to weight ratio, nothing more.Most manufacturers move the power down into the lower part of the rev range making them much easier for a newbie to ride till well into licence losing speeds.
And just in case your not aware the powers that be take speeding VERY seriously here instant licence loss and Gaol for speeds that can be reached in third gear.
Bastards.
Enjoy your stay, it's a big place try to get around and see as much as you can.
Hi mate, the LAMS riding course you will do to gain a M/C licence in NSW will give you skills for life that I dont believe are taught elsewhere or generally displayed.The course is well worth it. (and compulsory)
The 50 HP restriction will give you the opportunity to "work with what you,ve got" - remember many years ago road and track racers that today would run rings around 90% of riders had maybe 35-40hp!! As you are already a competent rider you can look forward to showing up riders on larger capacity bikes. Let your skills and experience be a beacon for other less experienced riders
You think that showing pictures of you riding illegally in the USA, they will happily hand over a full license to you here???
You should have got a license in the States, too late now, and now you will be stuck with the an L plate :laugh2:
But in all seriousness, the LAMS bikes are nothing to be sneezed at, it's not like you have been riding a supersport. Try a LAMS DL650, not much difference to the unrestricted version.
Hi guys, I am moving to Australia from the USA in a couple days and need to replace my 2009 DL650 with a comparable commuter/touring machine. Is there any way I can get around these ridiculous LAMS restrictions? I don't have a US motorcycle license but I can provide evidence of riding experience (i.e. photographs of in-city commuting and long-distance road trips.)
I have a LAMS 2014 V-Strom although I am riding bikes for more than 7 years. You can't feel any difference before 7000 rpm. After 7000 rpm and up, the unrestricted one makes a difference.
I'm not pushing my bike past 7000 except on very very rare circumstances so, I don't care
Of course the bloke who has never had a bike licence in the good ol USA thinks our LAMS licencing laws suck! But hey he has plenty of road riding experience, just that it was illegal! Spose you're pissed as well that you cant carry your hand gun in your tank bag here let alone own one. Do it the right way and be licenced for life.
Yeah, this was the method I used when applying for jobs driving heavy trucks.
Got my last job driving a 1 tonne courier van after showing a picture of a triple road train parked outside the Barkley Homestead Roadhouse.:wink2:
Hi guys, I am moving to Australia from the USA in a couple days and need to replace my 2009 DL650 with a comparable commuter/touring machine. Is there any way I can get around these ridiculous LAMS restrictions? I don't have a US motorcycle license but I can provide evidence of riding experience (i.e. photographs of in-city commuting and long-distance road trips.)
SIDEBAR:
From what I can see more motorcycle deaths have occurred in Australia since the LAMS rules were initiated, despite car fatalities experiencing a decline over the same period. Is there any statistical data supporting the claim that reducing a motorcycle's top speed reduces their inherent danger to beginning riders? That doesn't seem logical to me. You'll get killed on a bike doing 40 miles an hour if you make a poor judgement call or are just unlucky that day.
Also, 12 months? How arbitrary is that?? :surprise:
I am sorry but words fail me, is this for real?
To say you have not bothered to get a licence, then want to come where we drive on a different side of road, and get an unrestricted bike, presumably again without a licence, no insurance , shows an utter disregard for other road users. Totally irresponsible and dangerous.
And then you state the motorcycle deaths!
Sorry mate but if you do this and I come across you I will report you.
:furious::furious::furious:
Well said folks....very informative and logical response to a, lets call it a question. How do I beat the law?. It's there for a reason and as stated above; it's that simple.
Thankfully it seems the vast majority of riders see the sense in it.
Exactly. If somebody cannot be "bothered" to get a licence then I doubt that anybody could be "bothered" to learn how to ride properly. Oh yes, you can get by, and never doubt yourself and your ability in your own mind, but, expecting other folks to put their faith in your unproven "skills" is kind of conceited at best and verging on criminal negligence at worst.
Sorry sir, but I have not one iota of sympathy for your position.
That's why I didn't even bother to respond. What moron says I don't have a motorcycle license but I have pictures of me riding I can use to show them. Is this a joke or have you been riding without a helmet and and taken a lot of rocks and bugs to the head?
L.A.M.S is an anacronym for "Local Animal Management Skills" the LAMS induction and probationary period is to accustom "new" riders or those not familiar with Australian conditions- to negotiate the animal hazards we encounter on a mostly daily basis.
The hazards include but are not limited to : (the obvious- Kangaroo's) , Emu, Dingo (mind your children) wombats, Echidna's (tyre puncture risk=loss of control) damn Drop Bears and Camels! Lesser hazards include backpackers,MAMILS -Middle Aged Men In Lycra, usually seen early morning- any Nissan drivers in sedans and any vehicle displaying a Yellow pyramid "L" on its roof or a Red or Green "P" plate jammed behind the number (licence) plate.
For an insight into the "Real" Australia I have included a link to an "average Aussie Bloke"
Hey, now that I think about it, I visited the Darwin (appropriate?) Aviation Heritage Centre a while ago and I've got a photo of myself in the cockpit of this B52:
Maybe they'll give me a licence, I mean what could possibly go wrong?
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